The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[Dark Horse]

Another suggestion.

Steal a little from a jury-decided sport like ice skating. Each steward can give between 1 and 10 points. If he's 10% sure, 1 point, 70% sure, 7 points, and 100% sure 10 points.

The minimum required combined points to overrule the race outcome, either in favor or against, is 21 points. The judges do not know what the others voted.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Once the inquiry and or objection sign is illuminated it pretty much does.

I can tell you from experience some of the biggest arguments in the stewards stand are whether or not to actually "hang" the inquiry sign. Because once it's up you cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Very illuminating from a guy who speaks from the perspective of experience and real-world wisdom-not some abstract, self-congratulatory brainstorming session. But when you frankly convey perhaps unpalatable truths about the game, be ready to duck, because for the "kill the messenger" faction, you then become part of the problem.

[Tor Ekman]

DQ'd from 1ST TO 5TH in today's 8th at Belmont, I had the so I'm not exactly impartial. Thoughts???

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Tor Ekman

:5 DQ'd from 1ST TO 5TH in today's 8th at Belmont, I had the so I'm not exactly impartial. Thoughts???

Wrong call.

This is what I was talking about In the higher standard thread. First of all the jock on the 2 was "soft" lets get that out of the way. Next, there's really no way the guy on the 2 should have left a gap between him and the 6, he just fell asleep. Keep in mind there is NO DIRECT HEAD ON of this DQ it's actually not even close to a head on, so it makes it appear the winner was at fault.

What actually happened is that the 2 horse saw he got aced out and came out a hair and bumped the rear end of the winner, this caused the winner to bounce inward which made it look like the winner was at fault because he was the one who made the daring move.

You can also make the case, if want, that the jock on the 6 came in a smidge and pushed the winner inward a bit.

Didn't like it

[no breathalyzer]

who knows sometimes they go with "a foul is a foul" philosophy and other times it's "It didnt effect the placing...

i thought they should of let it stand.. didn't it look like the 2 started the contact?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by no breathalyzer

who knows sometimes they go with "a foul is a foul" philosophy and other times it's "It didnt effect the placing...

i thought they should of let it stand.. didn't it look like the 2 started the contact?

He did, but it's not a direct head on, so it appears the winner was at fault, the camera placement makes outside horses appear to be moving inward more than inward horses moving outward. If you watch the 'head on' thinking that the 2 cause it, you will see it differently than at first glance.

[Ocala Mike]

Only cost me a couple hundred. When does SRU Downs start its meeting?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Tor Ekman

DQ'd from 1ST TO 5TH in today's 8th at Belmont, I had the so I'm not exactly impartial. Thoughts???

The only shame in all that was that Joel DIDN'T put that punk over the rail.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Only cost me a couple hundred. When does SRU Downs start its meeting?

Not soon enough.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Wrong call.

This is what I was talking about In the higher standard thread. First of all the jock on the 2 was "soft" lets get that out of the way. Next, there's really no way the guy on the 2 should have left a gap between him and the 6, he just fell asleep. Keep in mind there is NO DIRECT HEAD ON of this DQ it's actually not even close to a head on, so it makes it appear the winner was at fault.

What actually happened is that the 2 horse saw he got aced out and came out a hair and bumped the rear end of the winner, this caused the winner to bounce inward which made it look like the winner was at fault because he was the one who made the daring move.

You can also make the case, if want, that the jock on the 6 came in a smidge and pushed the winner inward a bit.

Didn't like it

I saw Iherd whip right handed, dart to the rail, leave room for the 5 and when Iherd realized Joel was about to drop Iherd's pants, he quickly pushed back outward. Joel fought back/physics caused his horse to bounce back onto Iherd.

This did not effect the outcome of the race as the 5 was blowing by. The winner was undisputed. Add in the fact that Joel had 3 chances to bully his way out and didn't and this is another, yet another, count them 5 millionth unjust DQ.

Did the bump cause the 2 a placing? Quite possibly. Was the 2 an unsolicited victim of a bump? Absolutely not. He had every opportunity to dart to the rail in upper stretch, Iherd chose to race ride Joel, totally legal, got no issue with that. But he should NOT be rewarded for leaving another path open for Joel and then when he realized he was being beat, he punched back outward/causing the bounce back from Joel.

Again, assuming the stewards are actually trying all that they can do, I don't think these stewards have a trained eye for these things AND/OR They're TOO old to see correctly.

Stewards had another chance to show Iherd a lesson and instead rewarded him.

[Cholly]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

The only shame in all that was that Joel DIDN'T put that punk over the rail.

C'mon, E.M., quit being polite and tell us how you REALLY feel.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Cholly

C'mon, E.M., quit being polite and tell us how you REALLY feel.

Don't mean him any harm to him, just some cuts and scrapes

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

I saw Iherd whip right handed, dart to the rail, leave room for the 5 and when Iherd realized Joel was about to drop Iherd's pants, he quickly pushed back outward. Joel fought back/physics caused his horse to bounce back onto Iherd.

This did not effect the outcome of the race as the 5 was blowing by. The winner was undisputed. Add in the fact that Joel had 3 chances to bully his way out and didn't and this is another, yet another, count them 5 millionth unjust DQ.

Did the bump cause the 2 a placing? Quite possibly. Was the 2 an unsolicited victim of a bump? Absolutely not. He had every opportunity to dart to the rail in upper stretch, Iherd chose to race ride Joel, totally legal, got no issue with that. But he should NOT be rewarded for leaving another path open for Joel and then when he realized he was being beat, he punched back outward/causing the bounce back from Joel.

Again, assuming the stewards are actually trying all that they can do, I don't think these stewards have a trained eye for these things AND/OR They're TOO old to see correctly.

Stewards had another chance to show Iherd a lesson and instead rewarded him.

Great call by you. Lets face it, the winner got dqd for totally outriding the 2 and when the two tried to correct his error it was too late. Rosario pounced like a cat, what a shame a great ride gets punished.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

The only shame in all that was that Joel DIDN'T put that punk over the rail.

Riles. You should be THRILLED by this post. That is what you're advocating for.

Could somebody please post a link of this Inquiry? I'd like to take a look.

Thanks.

[Tall One]

I had a little action, but because I was at work, I couldn't see it live. Just watched it, in fact, im hearing the Steward's decision now. EMD, was that you being escorted out behind the Winner's Circle?

Rosario had a ton of horse under him in the lane...momentum almost had him standing up for Christ's sake. What's that law in physics that says two objects can't occupy the same space? That's what you had here. If anything, it was a jockey control foul. That horse took off like a shot, and I think it surprised Rosario to the point he lost his horse for a few strides.

Imo, they had to take that horse down. Rosario did in fact almost put the kid over the inner rail..twice.