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turninforhome10 · 09-25-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nijinski

Right now he can have that it's really not cool here in NY , pretty humid.
Since Tizway had work on that hoof problem that plagued him earlier in his career , he's been looking good. Hope it's not another foot issue , but Bond seems to be heading straight to the BC.

Good, I just hope he is not to fresh that is a long race for him.

Cardus · 09-25-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nijinski

Kelso owns the JCGC , he won it 60 - 64. Back then it was a mile and a half ,
stamina was a must.
Something else I won't forget is Charles Whittingham skipping it with Sunday Silence. I remember an article quoting him mentioning that since Easy Goer
was running in it , then EG would not be able to beat SS win the BC Classic .
He was right but Easy Goer and connections were not disgraced in the
Classic he still ran with heart and that was after winning the JCGC.

Not only were you wrong about the Gold Cup distance for Kelso, but Whittingham did not want to run in the Gold Cup because he thought that the 1 1/2 of the Gold Cup was not a suitable race leading into the 10 furlongs Breeders' Cup Classic.

He was right.

Also, of course, he was in the position to have a horse who handled turns better than Easy Goer, and had been beaten by Easy Goer on his home track in June. (That said, Whittingham said years later that Sunday Silence's feet were sore before the Belmont Stakes. That is what he said during an interview, at least.)

nijinski · 09-25-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Not only were you wrong about the Gold Cup distance for Kelso, but Whittingham did not want to run in the Gold Cup because he thought that the 1 1/2 of the Gold Cup was not a suitable race leading into the 10 furlongs Breeders' Cup Classic.

He was right.

Also, of course, he was in the position to have a horse who handled turns.

better than Easy Goer, and had been beaten by Easy Goer on his home track in June. (That said, Whittingham said years later that Sunday Silence's feet were sore before the Belmont Stakes. That is what he said during an interview, at least.)

"My colt will win," Whittingham said on the eve of the Classic. "He's fresher than Easy Goer, he's quicker, and I know from experience that the longer races are harder on a horse than the shorter ones. Easy Goer just had a long one. You don't get over them so easy."

Above From Sports Illustrated Vault. Remember EG just came up slightly short , ran incredible despite the JCGC win , that's all i"m sayin.

Cardus correct Two miles which The Little Guy brought to my attention and yes Whittingham did avoid it , Shug wanted to pass as well but Phipps had people In NY to keep happy.

classhandicapper · 09-26-2011, 10:00 AM

I more or less think Tizway is a toss in the Classic now. IMO he has been the best horse in the country (off his two recent races), but he's at least mildly suspect at 10F, especially if it winds up being a competitive pace that he has to move into (which is usually the case because of the deeper and higher than average quality field). Throw in a missed race and layoff on top of that and I think someone will pick him up late unless no one can fire a legitimate Grade 1 race.

classhandicapper · 09-26-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

(That said, Whittingham said years later that Sunday Silence's feet were sore before the Belmont Stakes. That is what he said during an interview, at least.)

I think the biggest reason Sunday Silence lost was the big sweeping turns at Belmont negated some of Sunday Silence's speed advantage on the turns in general and because Belmont just happened (ahem) to come up favoring deeper outside closers that day for the home team.

point given · 09-26-2011, 11:35 AM

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http://www.nyra.com/belmont/supersaturday/index.html

OTM Al · 09-27-2011, 09:13 AM

Current forcast for Saturday: Mostly sunny, high of 66. Sounds about perfect.

cj's dad · 09-27-2011, 09:15 AM

Al, when is first post ? What time do the gates open ?

We plan on leaving Baltimore at 7. Hope to be there at 11.

OTM Al · 09-27-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cj's dad

Al, when is first post ? What time do the gates open ?

We plan on leaving Baltimore at 7. Hope to be there at 11.

The place usually opens at 11:30 (lots open at 11:15) and first post is 1. I say usually because I swear I saw something that it was going to be moved up half an hour that day, but I'm not finding it anywhere right now. I will look into it.

cj · 09-27-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I more or less think Tizway is a toss in the Classic now. IMO he has been the best horse in the country (off his two recent races), but he's at least mildly suspect at 10F, especially if it winds up being a competitive pace that he has to move into (which is usually the case because of the deeper and higher than average quality field). Throw in a missed race and layoff on top of that and I think someone will pick him up late unless no one can fire a legitimate Grade 1 race.

I thought the same about Invasor. Didn't he take this same route?

Tom · 09-27-2011, 09:39 AM

He eeez the best!

OTM Al · 09-27-2011, 10:17 AM

First Post 12:30 on Saturday. Only place I can find it is in the Brochure and since I trust the person who puts that together, I believe that to be correct!

classhandicapper · 09-27-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

I thought the same about Invasor. Didn't he take this same route?

Yea, I liked Invasor until he got sick and missed a race. I didn't bet him at that price.

I still think it's a negative to miss a race, especially when I feel unsure about the horse really wanting 10F.

cj · 09-27-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Yea, I liked Invasor until he got sick and missed a race. I didn't bet him at that price.

I still think it's a negative to miss a race, especially when I feel unsure about the horse really wanting 10F.

I agree, I'm just wondering these days if missing a big race is really a bad thing any longer. Half the time I don't believe the trainers anyway, they just want to skip the race.

classhandicapper · 09-27-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

I agree, I'm just wondering these days if missing a big race is really a bad thing any longer. Half the time I don't believe the trainers anyway, they just want to skip the race.

I don't like it in Grade 1 races.

For most races if the best horse is close to his best he can win anyway, but at the Grade 1 level, it seems so many horses are geared up for a peak, if you aren't 100% you'll usually come up a little short (kind of like Uncle Mo).