What Possibly Could go Wrong with Mail-in Voting?

[lex]

Yes maybe a lot of people decided to vote in person. Or just not vote at all for that matter. A lot of states made it super easy to request an absentee and possibly a lot of people did that and then just never bothered to use it.

Again we're supposed to be mad that ballots weren't used? I live in Albany, NY so it is my birthright to be suspicious when it comes to voting but I'm really not losing sleep over ballots that weren't used. And actually in NY unused ballots are better since you can absentee and then show up to vote in person on election day. That's something I don't trust to be verified at all.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by lex

Yes maybe a lot of people decided to vote in person. Or just not vote at all for that matter. A lot of states made it super easy to request an absentee and possibly a lot of people did that and then just never bothered to use it.

Again we're supposed to be mad that ballots weren't used? I live in Albany, NY so it is my birthright to be suspicious when it comes to voting but I'm really not losing sleep over ballots that weren't used. And actually in NY unused ballots are better since you can absentee and then show up to vote in person on election day. That's something I don't trust to be verified at all.

Yes, of course. A lot of people decided to brave it out against covid. Why didn't I think of that? So, let's say that they did vote in person. Would not the records indicate that and would not the records also indicate that these people did not use their mail-in ballots for a valid reason? Mystery solved, right? In person voting cancels out unused mail-in ballot for that person. But that's not what we had. We had 15 million ballots unanswered for!

Try to keep up, Mr. Lex. I understand it's very challenging for a lib to grasp logical arguments, but give it the ol' college try, will ya?

[Inner Dirt]

For what logical reason would there be a hole in a envelope? I cannot ever recall receiving an envelope with a hole in it other than if it was damaged.
Unless of course that video was staged, with a doctored envelope.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

For what logical reason would there be a hole in a envelope? I cannot ever recall receiving an envelope with a hole in it other than if it was damaged.
Unless of course that video was staged, with a doctored envelope.

The two strategically placed holes would alert the recipients to how a person voted and if the counters of votes disapproved, they could easily make those kinds of ballots disappear without ever opening the envelopes. Easy peasy.

[lex]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Try to keep up, Mr. Lex. I understand it's very challenging for a lib to grasp logical arguments, but give it the ol' college try, will ya?

It's Miss. And I can promise you no one has ever called me a lib.


So I guess I'm just not getting the problem. You think that people really wanted to vote but their absentee didn't get delivered and their desire to vote vanished? Nothing to be done? And again the report on this thing says flat out that it could just be stupid people who threw them out.

Trump would have won if his voters didn't throw their ballots in the trash with their unpaid bills is quite the argument.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

For what logical reason would there be a hole in a envelope? I cannot ever recall receiving an envelope with a hole in it other than if it was damaged.
Unless of course that video was staged, with a doctored envelope.

Originally Posted by boxcar

The two strategically placed holes would alert the recipients to how a person voted and if the counters of votes disapproved, they could easily make those kinds of ballots disappear without ever opening the envelopes. Easy peasy.

How in the hell could that be legal? It is a person's right to keep their vote private, so now a nosy mail carrier can know how you voted. We all know which way a USPS employee is likely to vote.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by lex

It's Miss. And I can promise you no one has ever called me a lib.


So I guess I'm just not getting the problem. [b]You think that people really wanted to vote but their absentee didn't get delivered[/b ] and their desire to vote vanished? Nothing to be done? And again the report on this thing says flat out that it could just be stupid people who threw them out.

Trump would have won if his voters didn't throw their ballots in the trash with their unpaid bills is quite the argument.

Oh, my you still don't get it. Their "absentee didn't get delivered"!? I'd say their absentee ballots never got delivered to their precincts after they voted. And these county election officials have a very good handle on what kind of a county it is -- blue or red or purple.

So, now you move on from the scenario that they braved the storm of covid by showing up physically at the precincts to they trashed the ballots. So after requesting a ballot, 15 million changed their mind and decided not to vote? Okay...if you say so. But I say it's much more likely that apolitical or or other politically disinterested citizens wouldn't have wasted their time requesting a mail-in ballot in the first place.

[lex]

You do realize that the places this report calls out heavily are places that automatically sent ballots without request right? Nevada and California sent ballots to all registered voters from what I could find. Not sure why you're claiming all of these people actually asked for these ballots.

Voter turnout is garbage normally so I'm not shocked that people don't even bother when it's made super easy for them. Honestly I'm pretty happy about it.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by lex

You do realize that the places this report calls out heavily are places that automatically sent ballots without request right? Nevada and California sent ballots to all registered voters from what I could find. Not sure why you're claiming all of these people actually asked for these ballots.

Voter turnout is garbage normally so I'm not shocked that people don't even bother when it's made super easy for them. Honestly I'm pretty happy about it.

But most states don't. I'm not surprised at all that blue states would have the most lax laws that would encourage and facilitate cheating.

Also, if you read the article closely, the range of states is quite wide.

And finally, compared to the '16 election the number of "lost votes" nearly doubled and "unknown" nearly tripled compared to the last election.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Was this done on purpose?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbOHdCaowI

Of course it was done on purpose.

We can all see now, that Newsom will be secure in his position after this vote.

If this doesn't wake people up to what is going on, and what WENT ON in the 2020 election, nothing will.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Of course it was done on purpose.

We can all see now, that Newsome will be secure in his position after this vote.

If this doesn't wake people up to what is going on, and what WENT ON in the 2020 election, nothing will.

I believe as you do, PA. People will never wake up. They don't want to. We are at a point where people would rather pay through their noses being wrong than ever admit someone else was right.

[Gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Elkchester Road

I believe as you do, PA. People will never wake up. They don't want to. We are at a point where people would rather pay through their noses being wrong than ever admit someone else was right.

You're so right on people not admitting that they're wrong, and it doesn't matter whether they lean left or right.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by Gamblin4ever

You're so right on people not admitting that they're wrong, and it doesn't matter whether they lean left or right.

This is VERY true.

[davew]

That criminal in California with over 300 stolen unopened ballots suggests to me there is an active black market for these things .... I wonder what they are selling for?

[Tom]

Whenever the number of ballots exceeds the specific number of legitimate voter requests, there will be fraud, and anyone who says differently is either a liar or and idiot, or both.