DISGRACE AT GULFSTREAM RACE 7

[jocko699]

Okay,

1) The Ortiz brothers combined to win over 51 million in purses last year.
2) They ride some of the best horses in the world for great trainers and owners.
3) They concocted a scheme to steal a race worth $29,000?
4) The other jockeys were some how involved in a race with mutual WPS of $198,000?

What is the upside of this?

I saw the replay and I saw horses that had nothing today and a jockey go to the lead and control the pace.

[arw629]

Originally Posted by parlay

In any other country they would through all these jocks in jail! Not saying the horse wasn't possible, but he should at least have to run to prove it. These Ortiz guys are importing the same shit that ruined NY. Just disgusting how the stewards can allow this.

I didn’t have the winner in this race today but I didn’t see anything wrong with how it was run.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by arw629

I didn’t have the winner in this race today but I didn’t see anything wrong with how it was run.

I didn’t see a race

I saw a parade

[jay68802]

Lets look, the 4 possible pace horses in the race were the ,,, and . All of these horses do their best running when 0-2 lengths of the lead.

The has not been near the lead since May, but in the past has ran well with pace figures of 91,99,98, and 92.

The has ran well with pace figures of 94,95,98,103, and 108,

The has ran well with pace figures of 88,94,83,86, and 87.

The has ran well with pace figures of 88,91,90,100, and 80.

I see the leaders as the and 5 with the and right behind them chasing a pace that is out of their comfort zone. when the can't go with the how the race ended up looks right.

[parlay]

Originally Posted by parlay

In any other country they would through all these jocks in jail! Not saying the horse wasn't possible, but he should at least have to run to prove it. These Ortiz guys are importing the same shit that ruined NY. Just disgusting how the stewards can allow this.

I am not complaining about the result. There was a lot to like about this horse. i am commenting on the manner in which the race was pretended. THE 2 SAT!!
We can guess at why, but this same scenario was prevalent in NY last year. Races were the leader got away with uncontested leads that were unpredictable. I am not disparaging the abilities of the Ortiz brothers or the tactics employed in this race. But i am suggesting that it is beneficial for guys like Jaramillo to not jeopardize the trip for future considerations.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

I am very suspicious of the pace in a lot of races. Are two bothers gonna pressure each other? Are two jocks with the same agents gonna duel? It's the easiest way to manipulate a race IMO

I thought an agent can only represent one jockey at a time.

[WINMANWIN]

Originally Posted by parlay

i understand that he projected to be speed, but not lone speed in those kind of fractions. It is incumbent on the other riders to ride a race within reasonable pace parameters. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS HORSE WINNING THE RACE, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE MANNER IN WHICH THE RACE WAS RUN. I f this race was run in Hong Kong they would have had all the jocks who had mounts capable of pressing the pace in for a explanation. You must ride your horse in a reasonable facsimile to what he is projected to do, or have a very good explanation for why you didn't. I see these types of races all to often in NY and it STINKS. "We probably can't beat ortiz so we will just saunter around till the 16th pole". Greattt! Please send out the twitter that your all going to watch so we can bet another track. SORRY, THIS HAS STOPPED ME FROM BETTING NYRA AND NOW IT IS INFECTING GP. I'LL STICK TO OAKLAWN THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!

Polygraph all of them. Smaller tracks are Worse.

[WINMANWIN]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I thought an agent can only represent one jockey at a time.

They changed rule in new york and probably in other states also.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by parlay

Lets ask Jaramillo to justify that ride. Sorry, but my suspicion is that you dont screw up Ortiz, if your a good boy they will give you something later. You might not be outright fixing races but you are sure not riding them legit! But who cares what the degenerates think anyways

It was either a boat race or it wasn't. There really isn't any in between.

[Robert Fischer]

quote/justralph

YouTube

Late money was really sharp here.
Watching the video and referring to the chart...
FAV DROPS from 2-1 to 1.3-1(6/5 video)
leader DROPS from 7-1 to 6.2-1
long shot DROPS from 22-1 to 18.4-1

Not incriminating, but how often do you see both the Favorite and the 6th-Longest-Shot-on-the-board both drop in odds in the last flash? Usually when the favorite gets hammered, the 6th longest stays the same if not INCREASES.

I get that the was an unbettable 'toss' (and that some of the 3's small amount of money went over to the 7).
What makes it even more weird is that as they loaded the eventual 7th-longest-shot was (15-1).
So the went from 15-1 to 20.6-1 , while the went from 22-1 to 18.4-1...

The odds movement on the and was logical, however. The odds for 8 and 9 also did not correlate to their break / turn-position.

Not incriminating, but enough to raise an eyebrow and tip a cap to the sharp late money.

Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses

I don't think it was that big of a deal, there was not much speed in race, if anything give irad (and that good young rider on the 7) credit for moving early. Jose's horse was not a speed horse.

If there's any conspiracy it would be this:

D'CRAZINESS bumped with MAJOR KEY early, appeared somewhat unsettled under restraint on the rail through the stretch the first time, remained under a firm hold through the backstretch run, continued to save ground and offered no response.

The young rider has another shot to hit the board today.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Afleet

I like the 3/4 fraction of 1:16.34-were these $10k MCL's?

The bottom MCL's is 12,500 was that what you meant?

[cj]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The bottom MCL's is 12,500 was that what you meant?

I'm sure he just threw a random number out there, I doubt he cared about the actual bottom level when trying to make a point.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by parlay

Lets ask Jaramillo to justify that ride. Sorry, but my suspicion is that you dont screw up Ortiz, if your a good boy they will give you something later. You might not be outright fixing races but you are sure not riding them legit! But who cares what the degenerates think anyways

Let's see what Jaramillo does today at Gulfstream he has these mounts:

Race 2
#3 Gran Lucky Girl

Race 4
#2 Extravagant Kid

Race 5
#1 We Take Checks

Race 7
#11 Hey Howie

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Let's see what Jaramillo does today at Gulfstream he has these mounts:

Race 2
#3 Gran Lucky Girl

Race 4
#2 Extravagant Kid

Race 5
#1 We Take Checks

Race 7
#11 Hey Howie

One rider I would never use as he runs the jocks room....

[parlay]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Let's see what Jaramillo does today at Gulfstream he has these mounts:

Race 2
#3 Gran Lucky Girl

Race 4
#2 Extravagant Kid

Race 5
#1 We Take Checks

Race 7
#11 Hey Howie

WOW, LOOK HOW AGGRESSIVE HE CAN RIDE WHEN HE WANTS TO.