Flynn Cops a Plea

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by _______

Yes. They have Flynn and his son on far more serious charges and that is the leverage they will use.

It’s how they rolled up the mafia and it’s what they are using now.

Really? What are those charges? And what do they have to do with Trump colluding with the Russian government to rig an election?

It should be illegal to lesson the penalties for someone who committed a criminal act if they'll talk. That applies across the board, I'm not talking about this case. Get them under oath, and they'll talk, and if they lie, then get them with perjury, and perjury again, and perjury again, until they realize that lying isn't working out real well for them. Instead, they know they can get out of a criminal problem by talking and plea deals. It's unethical.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by _______

Has anyone else noticed the disappearance of Jared Kushner’s profile in the administration?

Anyone want to join me in speculating about who the “high level transition figure” that directed Flynn to meet with the Russian ambassador would be?

David French at the National Review explains that directing Flynn to meet with the Russian may or may not be a problem. If meeting with the Russians is not a problem, lying about it is.

ABC also reports that Flynn is willing to testify against Trump and members of the Trump family. Now, before everyone starts yelling “collusion,” the report said nothing about why Trump allegedly directed him to reach out to Russia. If it was contact for election collusion, that’s dire. I also think that’s highly unlikely. If it was contact to set the stage for post-election relations and cooperation, that’s far less problematic — unless members of the Trump administration (or Trump family) have been lying to the FBI about those contacts. So, we could be looking at less of a criminal conspiracy and more of a festival of lies surrounding a non-conspiracy. That’s at least consistent with the guilty pleas (Flynn and Papadopoulos) so far. Stay tuned.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-bigger-things

[Clocker]

Also at the National Review, Andrew C. McCarthy, a former Asst. United States Attorney, explains why the Flynn deal strongly suggests that Mueller has no case for collusion, and is just going after charges of lying to the FBI against as many in the administration as possible.

If Flynn was involved in a collusion scheme, the bargain would have to be to plead guilty to the scheme and to the lying, and then the collusion charge is dropped. If Flynn doesn't plead guilty to the collusion scheme, Mueller has no proof of collusion and has no evidence to proceed against Trump and company. But it appears that Flynn's plea is enough for Mueller to get others for lying.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-investigation

[woodtoo]

Mike Flynn will get more time in jail for one lie to the FBI than Kate Steinle murderer.

One a decorated General the other an illegal immigrant murderer. Logic off.

[Tom]

Still waiting for some to tell me exactly how the RUSSIANS effected the election......other than, at the worst, revealing the truth.

Much more solid evidence to put the Hag away for the rest of her miserable life, a bitch who actually put national security at risk for her own personal gain.

If, at the end of the day, Trump did everything the lefties are saying he did, then I guess we should give him a medal, maybe a Nobel Prize, a real one, not a FAUX Prize. And, bow when he passes!

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

Still waiting for some to tell me exactly how the RUSSIANS effected the election......other than, at the worst, revealing the truth.

They must have done it with a top-secret Russian time machine, since Flynn's alleged collusion meetings took place in late December, almost 2 months after the election.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Also at the National Review, Andrew C. McCarthy, a former Asst. United States Attorney, explains why the Flynn deal strongly suggests that Mueller has no case for collusion, and is just going after charges of lying to the FBI against as many in the administration as possible.

If Flynn was involved in a collusion scheme, the bargain would have to be to plead guilty to the scheme and to the lying, and then the collusion charge is dropped. If Flynn doesn't plead guilty to the collusion scheme, Mueller has no proof of collusion and has no evidence to proceed against Trump and company. But it appears that Flynn's plea is enough for Mueller to get others for lying.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-investigation

Apparently_______ is the only one in this thread who knows what a plea deal is. There are two types of plea deals. In the first, the prosecution has a weak, but plausible case. The accused pleads to a lesser charge to avoid jail time or onerous legal fees. In the second case, the prosecution has a strong case against the individual, but offers a plea deal to gain his testimony against other involved individuals.

The second option is clearly the case here. Don't be fooled by the fact that Mueller has not as yet made any charges against persons higher up in the Trump administration. You don't put on the roof before you have finished the foundation.

Of course these plea deals are contingent on the continued cooperation of the individual. If that is not forth coming you can be sure the charges will be upgraded.

[JustRalph]

The contact with Russia came after the election.

They will scream Trump was undermining Obama's sanctions.

Trump loses no supporters for undermining Obama......

BFD

[tundral]

Small fish to get Donald Duck . His days numbered in White House.
Next Kushner then chump .

[JustRalph]

From Andrew McCarthy

"Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.

That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency."

It's a Martha Stewart case.........they normally end up making the prosecution look bad in reflection.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The second option is clearly the case here. Don't be fooled by the fact that Mueller has not as yet made any charges against persons higher up in the Trump administration. You don't put on the roof before you have finished the foundation.

Of course these plea deals are contingent on the continued cooperation of the individual. If that is not forth coming you can be sure the charges will be upgraded.

That's what the McCarthy article said. Flynn's cooperation will be used to develop charges against others in the administration. And that "upgraded" charges against Flynn or others in the administration are highly unlikely, given that such charges were not cited in Flynn's plea bargain.

McCarthy, based on his experience as an Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, is saying that it is doubtful that Mueller has the evidence to prove collusion against anyone, and is going for the lying charges against anyone he can.

[chadk66]

man the liberals are going to all commit suicide when nothing happens from all this. It's gonna be awesome to watch.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Really? What are those charges? And what do they have to do with Trump colluding with the Russian government to rig an election?

It should be illegal to lesson the penalties for someone who committed a criminal act if they'll talk. That applies across the board, I'm not talking about this case. Get them under oath, and they'll talk, and if they lie, then get them with perjury, and perjury again, and perjury again, until they realize that lying isn't working out real well for them. Instead, they know they can get out of a criminal problem by talking and plea deals. It's unethical.

Water boarding will make a big comeback per Trumps tweet...
once again this is a bunch of crap the feds working on this shows the American people that they the feds are a bunch of blowhards who can't convict a ham sandwich.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

From Andrew McCarthy

"Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.

That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency."

It's a Martha Stewart case.........they normally end up making the prosecution look bad in reflection.

Dead on Target! This is all this is: Another Martha Stewart stunt.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by chadk66

man the liberals are going to all commit suicide when nothing happens from all this. It's gonna be awesome to watch.

Lots will happen. They will drag this out 4-8 years. If Trump can get re-elected we are going to live with this forever.

Trump should have fired Mueller, issued blanket pardons to everyone on their radar and moved on. His supporters would love him for taking the wind out of all this bullshit. But now we are going to be hearing about this shit show forever.

Trump has made a grave mis-calculation. They are going to charge everybody they can and see what sticks. It’s like Iran Contra. Most were vindicated in that shit show by appeals courts years after the fact.