The coronavirus

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I claim to be an authority? When?

All I do, basically, is present data from sources the mainstream media seems to want to ignore. You can take it or leave it.

The data is what it is. Data usually is a sure thing, because it's just that, data. Unless you don't believe the data. Which is fine.

Could it be you don't post any from respected sources that easily debunk and tear down the premise you have hitched your paranoid wagon to?

And will not even consider those other respected sources that run counter to your conspiracy theories?

Just asking

[Half Smoke]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

The data is what it is. Data usually is a sure thing, because it's just that, data. Unless you don't believe the data. Which is fine.

here is some data for you:


25% of the deaths in the U.S. have occurred in New York City......see link


experts have stated that the reason for this is the high density of the city


the population of NYC is 8.4 million crammed into 302 square miles of land


the largest city in Sweden is Stockholm


the population of Stockholm is 974,000 into 73 square miles


NYC has more than 8 times as many people as Stockholm but only a bit over 4 times as much of space





then 2nd largest city in Sweden is Gothenburg - the population of Gothenburg is about 3,300

the 2nd largest city in the U.S. is Los Angeles - the population of Los Angeles is about 4 million






obviously comparing Sweden to the U.S. is of limited usefulness





https://www.google.com/search?q=coro...hrome&ie=UTF-8



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[hcap]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I had a hard time to. It’s a ton of mumble jumble.
I heard a radio piece on it this morning where some Doctor was explaining the errors.

He bottom lined it as the numbers were too hastily gathered and you had to basically flip the numbers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-died-in-study

"Two days after releasing the study, the Journal issued a clarification, deleting the 88% figure from the abstract and saying that most ventilator patients in the study were still hospitalized and that the mortality rate is expected to come down as more results come in. The clarification also stated that 24.5% of the total number of patients who had received ventilator treatment had died, while 3.3% survived and were discharged. The rest, or 72.2%, remained hospitalized as of April 4."
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Sloppy. The still hospitalized makes it too early to conclude final numbers

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Half Smoke

here is some data for you:


25% of the deaths in the U.S. have occurred in New York City......see link


experts have stated that the reason for this is the high density of the city


the population of NYC is 8.4 million crammed into 302 square miles of land


the largest city in Sweden is Stockholm


the population of Stockholm is 974,000 into 73 square miles


NYC has more than 8 times as many people as Stockholm but only a bit over 4 times as much of space





then 2nd largest city in Sweden is Gothenburg - the population of Gothenburg is about 3,300

the 2nd largest city in the U.S. is Los Angeles - the population of Los Angeles is about 4 million






obviously comparing Sweden to the U.S. is of limited usefulness





https://www.google.com/search?q=coro...hrome&ie=UTF-8



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That's why people usually don't do that comparison.

They compare Sweden to other Euro nations.

For example, one would think, if Sweden wasn't following strict lockdown guidelines, they'd end up being just as bad or worse then some of the harder hit Euro nations, like Spain or Italy...not even close.

I mean, if I am to believe certain epidemiologists and certain computer models (some, but obviously not ALL), Sweden should basically cease to exist as a country soon...everyone should be dead by now, no?

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Upon further investigation, it appears from the literature the mortality rate is below 30%.

New Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Patients On Ventilators Usually Survive
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...sually-survive

...Weeks later, it's still too soon to calculate mortality rates precisely, Gong says. "We still have a large number of patients on mechanical ventilation in our intensive care unit," she says. "So the outcomes of those patients is still uncertain."

But Gong adds that when it comes to COVID-19 patients on ventilators, "We win more than we lose."
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Anyone know the percentage of seasonal flu patients placed on ventilators, and their survival rate? Here are hospitalizations among other stats. Previous seasonal flu, 10 times less, therefore 10 times less danger than covid-19 deaths on ventilators, assuming an equal percentage of the flu hospitalized, must be placed on them.

COVID-19 has been compared to the flu. Experts say that's wrong.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=69779116

[PaceAdvantage]

That infographic's hospitalization rates and mortality rates are grossly in error for COVID-19...

And why are you comparing COVID-19 to the flu? Are you a DENIER!!?!?!?!?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

That's why people usually don't do that comparison.

They compare Sweden to other Euro nations.

For example, one would think, if Sweden wasn't following strict lockdown guidelines, they'd end up being just as bad or worse then some of the harder hit Euro nations, like Spain or Italy...not even close.

I mean, if I am to believe certain epidemiologists and certain computer models (some, but obviously not ALL), Sweden should basically cease to exist as a country soon...everyone should be dead by now, no?

Believe any crap you wish. But as I wrote..

https://globalnews.ca/news/6928827/c...judy-mikovits/

That is literally not true, as many scientists and fact-checkers have pointed out in recent days, including Science Magazine.

“Suggesting that wearing a mask can make you sick could lead to imminent harm, so we’re removing the video,” Facebook said in a statement.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by hcap

Believe any crap you wish. But as I wrote..

Everyone involved has officially crossed the line of non-believability, it's all just Science-Fiction now....Credibility shot, It's over.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Everyone involved has officially crossed the line of non-believability, it's all just Science-Fiction now....Credibility shot, It's over.

So wat is
"Q", Science Fantasy?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

That infographic's hospitalization rates and mortality rates are grossly in error for COVID-19...

And why are you comparing COVID-19 to the flu? Are you a DENIER!!?!?!?!?

The discussion was survivors of ventilators. I agreed the JAMA article was sloppy. Gave an explanation and a more realistic estimate. However because that one study was flawed, no reason to write off the dangers of cfovid-19, which you gents do every chance you get.******

Besides in perspective

Your famous bogus comparison of the 1968-69 flu season to covid-19 in terms of world deaths also fails in terms of survivors of that pandemic patients placed ion ventillators, since only 10% of covid patients were

**** Masks being worthless?
Really?

[highernote]

Interesting article about the differences between the way NY and California handled the virus with NY having 10 times the deaths as CA:

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...-as-california

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Your famous bogus comparison of the 1968-69 flu season to covid-19 in terms of world deaths also fails in terms of survivors of that pandemic patients placed ion ventillators, since only 10% of covid patients were

**** Masks being worthless?
Really?

Bogus? A PANDEMIC that kills 100,000 in the US back in 1968 is BOGUS?

IT WAS A PANDEMIC that KILLED 100,000 people.

It happened one year before I was born.

AND I NEVER HEARD OF IT!?!?!?!

Not at home. Not at school. NEVER.

NEVER.

EVER.

HEARD OF IT GROWING UP.

Now, we have a pandemic that probably won't kill 100,000 ACTUAL people in the US (the numbers are hugely inflated IMO), and we've NUKED THE ECONOMY over it...

A very valid comparison.

To show how INSANE many of us have become in the last 52 years.

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Bogus? A PANDEMIC that kills 100,000 in the US back in 1968 is BOGUS?

IT WAS A PANDEMIC that KILLED 100,000 people.

It happened one year before I was born.

AND I NEVER HEARD OF IT!?!?!?!

Not at home. Not at school. NEVER.

NEVER.

EVER.

HEARD OF IT GROWING UP.

Now, we have a pandemic that probably won't kill 100,000 ACTUAL people in the US (the numbers are hugely inflated IMO), and we've NUKED THE ECONOMY over it...

A very valid comparison.

To show how INSANE many of us have become in the last 52 years.

I already told you. You cannot compare a flu pandemic that lasted 18 months with a pandemic just over 4.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

I already told you. You cannot compare a flu pandemic that lasted 18 months with a pandemic just over 4.

Of course you can...

You act as if viruses spread just as fast around the world back in 1968 as they do today...here's a news flash...they didn't.

That's just one factor as to why it lasted longer back then.

[ultracapper]

I had 3 more appointments of note this past week. The first was Tuesday with an Alaska Airlines pilot. Not certain if he's grounded right now or active, but we used no masks or gloves, and he actually offered his hand to shake, which has only happened about 5 times to me in the past 2 months. Friday I signed a police officer, and without a word he presented me a face mask, which was very apparent was not an offer but a requirement. Friday evening I signed a nurse, and for the first time, it was insisted that all three of us (me, him, and his wife) wear masks and gloves. He was the first medical professional in the 2 months of roughly a dozen instances where "protection" was not only insisted, but even suggested.