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07-02-2019, 10:34 AM
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Should this race be a G1 race?
I always wondered why the $1,000,000 Queens Plate isn't a Grade 1 race. Just wondered what anyone else thought.
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07-02-2019, 10:47 AM
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Restricted to Canadian breds, thus it isn't eligible.
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07-02-2019, 01:20 PM
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What are the requirements for a race to be a G1, G2 or G3?
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07-03-2019, 01:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky13
What are the requirements for a race to be a G1, G2 or G3?
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cant be restricted to state breds is a big one...other than that not sure there is. they have made races that did not exist grade 1's when they were created (BC for example).
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07-03-2019, 10:06 AM
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Most of them don't deserve it nowadays.
It's more of a breeder's thing than a good handicapping tool.
Can't have Gr1 races without Gr1 horses, and we have very few of those anymore.
Supposedly, from what I understand a committee (oh boy!) reviews races and what impact it has through the horses that come out of it. Like the Wood has not had any real impact on the Derby in a whole so it got downgraded.
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07-03-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
cant be restricted to state breds is a big one...other than that not sure there is. they have made races that did not exist grade 1's when they were created (BC for example).
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There is a purse requirement (think it is 300k for G1, 200k for G2, 100k for G3), no restrictions other than age/sex, and the race has to be run at least every other year. I think that is about it, the rest is subjective.
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07-03-2019, 02:00 PM
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Races in Canada are also not Graded by the committee that grades US races. This is why, for instance, 2YO turf races like the Summer and Natalma are considered Grade 1s when they very obviously should not be.
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07-03-2019, 08:28 PM
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Races in Canada are also not Graded by the committee that grades US races. This is why, for instance, 2YO turf races like the Summer and Natalma are considered Grade 1s when they very obviously should not be.
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good point.
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07-03-2019, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
Races in Canada are also not Graded by the committee that grades US races. This is why, for instance, 2YO turf races like the Summer and Natalma are considered Grade 1s when they very obviously should not be.
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The sprint they ran on Queen's Plate day is another example. It was a good race, but hardly a G1.
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07-04-2019, 10:38 AM
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The sprint they ran on Queen's Plate day is another example. It was a good race, but hardly a G1.
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Agreed. I feel like there may be one in the Fall that is similar as well, though, to be fair, the one in the Fall does sometimes get a strong field....not that I know exactly what constitutes a Grade 1 Turf Sprint ( if anything ).
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07-13-2019, 02:44 PM
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I track the average winning Beyer figure for Grade 1/2/3 races in Canada vs. Grade 1/2/3 races in the US.
There's clearly a difference, but it's "partially" reflected in the purses.
Graded stakes purses in the US are a little higher on average than in Canada.
It's almost the same as comparing Grade 1 races in the US.
Some of the super elite Grade 1 races in the US have higher purses and higher average winning Beyer figures than other Grade 1s. On average they tend to draw stronger fields even though they are all called Grade 1.
Still though, you are better off looking at the field and seeing what types of horses the contenders and horses that did well have been running against and then ultimately how they do coming out of it because the label can be wrong in any given year depending on who shows up.
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07-20-2019, 04:44 PM
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I have older copies of the DRF . Graded races in Canada were given the designation "Grade 1-C" etc.
In my opinion there are FAR too many races the Jockey Club offers Graded stake designation.
Just because a race has a high purse, does not mean it deserves graded status.
For example, the West Virginia Derby has a slots and casino fueled purse, is I believe a Grade 3...
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08-14-2019, 12:24 PM
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To determine if a race is eligible for grading, the American Graded Stakes Committee uses the following criteria:
-- Purse requirement: That the race has a purse of at least $75,000. ($100,000 for Grade III, $200,000 for Grade II, and $300,000 for Grade I.)
-- Longevity: That the race has been run for two years under fundamentally the same conditions. (The race's distance for example may be slightly altered, but age and sex conditions may not.)
-- Restrictions: That the race may be restricted only in age and sex.
-- Drug testing: That post race drug testing is managed by a governmental authority.
-- Medication: That model rules on androgenic-anabolic steroids and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs be followed. Specifically, only Boldenone, Nandrolone, Stanozolol, and Testosterone are allowed to be used. (this is a minimum standard – some racing jurisdictions have even higher restrictions on medications)
Last edited by GBL; 08-14-2019 at 12:25 PM.
Reason: typo
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08-25-2019, 09:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HHE10
I always wondered why the $1,000,000 Queens Plate isn't a Grade 1 race. Just wondered what anyone else thought.
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From my days of going to Fort Erie, they used to classify races as G1 (Can). Does that sound familiar?
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08-26-2019, 11:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing
From my days of going to Fort Erie, they used to classify races as G1 (Can). Does that sound familiar?
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They used to do it that way. In the data files I get, the Canadian graded races were coded as Grades 4, 5, and 6. The big races like the Woodbine Mile are coded as all other North American races, 1, 2, and 3.
Last edited by cj; 08-26-2019 at 11:16 PM.
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