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05-05-2021, 07:44 PM
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The Greatest of All Time - Bob Baffert
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05-07-2021, 11:29 AM
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Ah more historical perspective LOST
HARDLY...when you get the BEST horses (like the Jones's did at Calumet or Woody got for years) of course you will do well.
Bedwell, Sheppard, Laz, Shug, Frankle, Aidan O’Brien, Fitzsimmons, Whittingham, Jerkins, Max Hirsch
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05-07-2021, 11:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Ah more historical perspective LOST
HARDLY...when you get the BEST horses (like the Jones's did at Calumet or Woody got for years) of course you will do well.
Bedwell, Sheppard, Laz, Shug, Frankle, Aidan O’Brien, Fitzsimmons, Whittingham, Jerkins, Max Hirsch
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The guy just won the Derby with a modestly bred, very low priced colt. Sure, he gets great horses, but he's done great work with others too. Real Quiet comes to mind right away.
Last edited by cj; 05-07-2021 at 02:03 PM.
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05-07-2021, 12:29 PM
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The only real knock against Baffert is he hasn't had a real grass star. Even Wayne Lukas eventually demonstrated he could train top grass horses.
But for racing on dirt- yeah, he's the GOAT. And it's not just the TC success with royally bred horses. He has had success with modestly bred horses, he can manage a horse over a long career (see Game on Dude), etc.
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05-07-2021, 01:13 PM
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Obviously he is talented, but he is entering 2-3 horses against each other in races like the Kentucky Derby and seems to have a horse in almost every big stakes race. Of course he's going to have more wins than others will. This is on top of having access to many of the top horses, which furthers his chances of getting wins.
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05-07-2021, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KingAnon
Obviously he is talented, but he is entering 2-3 horses against each other in races like the Kentucky Derby and seems to have a horse in almost every big stakes race. Of course he's going to have more wins than others will. This is on top of having access to many of the top horses, which furthers his chances of getting wins.
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Why not compare him to Pletcher then?
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05-07-2021, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
The guys just won the Derby with a modestly bred, very low priced colt. Sure, he gets great horses, but he's done great work with others too. Real Quiet comes to mind right away.
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There you go with those facts again, cj.
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05-07-2021, 01:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KingAnon
Obviously he is talented, but he is entering 2-3 horses against each other in races like the Kentucky Derby and seems to have a horse in almost every big stakes race. Of course he's going to have more wins than others will. This is on top of having access to many of the top horses, which furthers his chances of getting wins.
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And he has the horses to enter because he is so good. If he hadn't demonstrated his ability to train he simply wouldn't have the horses. To knock him for entering many horses is brushing aside the reason he has the horses to enter!
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05-07-2021, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
The only real knock against Baffert is he hasn't had a real grass star. Even Wayne Lukas eventually demonstrated he could train top grass horses.
But for racing on dirt- yeah, he's the GOAT. And it's not just the TC success with royally bred horses. He has had success with modestly bred horses, he can manage a horse over a long career (see Game on Dude), etc.
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True about the grass with Baffert, but I think that is entirely attributable to his focus on the big dirt races. I am not aware that he ever made any serious attempts at obtaining grass runners for his stable.
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05-07-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
True about the grass with Baffert, but I think that is entirely attributable to his focus on the big dirt races. I am not aware that he ever made any serious attempts at obtaining grass runners for his stable.
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Also looks like he has a pretty good one in Du Jour, 3yo that won a stakes on Derby day.
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05-07-2021, 02:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
The guy just won the Derby with a modestly bred, very low priced colt. Sure, he gets great horses, but he's done great work with others too. Real Quiet comes to mind right away.
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A colt won that race not a human
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05-07-2021, 03:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
A colt won that race not a human
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Dick post...just sayin'
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05-07-2021, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
A colt won that race not a human
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Owners win races, jockeys win races, trainers win races, horses win races, even breeders win races. They are all a team (save maybe breeders in most cases). No horse wins alone just like no human wins without the horse.
So yea, dick post.
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05-07-2021, 03:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Also looks like he has a pretty good one in Du Jour, 3yo that won a stakes on Derby day.
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It will be fun to see what he can do with him.
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05-07-2021, 11:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Ah more historical perspective LOST
HARDLY...when you get the BEST horses (like the Jones's did at Calumet or Woody got for years) of course you will do well.
Bedwell, Sheppard, Laz, Shug, Frankle, Aidan O’Brien, Fitzsimmons, Whittingham, Jerkins, Max Hirsch
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You did spell eight of their names correctly, so there's that.
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