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Old 10-20-2021, 09:19 AM   #1
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Breeders' Cup Short priced (3-1 or less) Vulnerable or Throw outs?

I need to see post positions and the PP's before I toss but off the top of my head I'd say Knicks Go is vulnerable because of fast pace and the distance and most importantly he's never had a race over the Del Mar Surface that I can remember.

Del Mar's main track isn't as extreme as the one at Santa Anita but it's still different than what the horses coming in have run over. And works or jogs over the track can be deceiving IMO. You can't really tell if they like it till they are set down in a real race.

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Old 10-20-2021, 12:02 PM   #2
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I don't like Corniche at all. Not sure he'll be favored, but he'll be 3-1 or less I think.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:15 PM   #3
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I need to see post positions and the PP's before I toss but off the top of my head I'd say Knicks Go is vulnerable because of fast pace and the distance and most importantly he's never had a race over the Del Mar Surface that I can remember.

Del Mar's main track isn't as extreme as the one at Santa Anita but it's still different than what the horses coming in have run over. And works or jogs over the track can be deceiving IMO. You can't really tell if they like it till they are set down in a real race.

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I agree, the Del Mar surface is a real wild card. I do believe it was even more questionable in 2017, and likely faster now, but still I recall being at the BC at that time and not only was it typical Breeders Cup in terms of randomness and upsets, it was beyond what I even expected. What's funny is that I think what supports this is that I did well on the Early Pick 5, as the form was much easier to predict given more local runners. Prat was just coming out to be the top jockey at that time, incidentally, too.
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Old 10-20-2021, 01:23 PM   #4
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I don't like Corniche at all. Not sure he'll be favored, but he'll be 3-1 or less I think.
I agree. But i need him to take the starch out of Jack Christopher. I'm tossing both of them....
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Old 10-20-2021, 01:27 PM   #5
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I agree. But i need him to take the starch out of Jack Christopher. I'm tossing both of them....
Maybe you should watch the Champagne again....or for the first time.
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Maybe you should watch the Champagne again....or for the first time.
I did watch it. Probably to many times. I'm just not crazy about his last 1/4 in 27 and weak gallop out. He can be a superstar, but i also thought that of Complexity.
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I did watch it. Probably to many times. I'm just not crazy about his last 1/4 in 27 and weak gallop out. He can be a superstar, but i also thought that of Complexity.
So you watched the Champagne ("to many times" ) but think he's a need the lead horse? I'm confused.
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So you watched the Champagne ("to many times" ) but think he's a need the lead horse? I'm confused.
Obviously he is not a need the lead. My feeling is the two favorites are going to hook up by the far turn, and like i said in my reply to CJ, i hope it takes the starch out of both of them. That's the stand i'm taking. Enjoy your work on FS!.
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Obviously he is not a need the lead. My feeling is the two favorites are going to hook up by the far turn, and like i said in my reply to CJ, i hope it takes the starch out of both of them. That's the stand i'm taking. Enjoy your work on FS!.
Thanks. Good luck. Waiting for the race to be drawn but, at this point, hard to take a big stand against the first two in the Champagne. We'll see.
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Pappacap not too bad really, got tag-teamed by Bob to be parked three on both turns, the usual. I'm not all over him by any means but he did run an honest race.
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Knicks Go: Distance/Strong Field/Thinking the DMR surface gives him problems.
Jackie's Warrior: With the exception of Life Is Good,don't like the horses he's been beating.
Gamine: Always wonder about her legs......beat her you get paid nicely.
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Given the baffert cant juice in training, or the day of the races, arnt all his horses tosses? I dont like any of them to begin with.
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Given the baffert cant juice in training, or the day of the races, arnt all his horses tosses? I dont like any of them to begin with.
The extra scrutiny won't do anything to stop his horses. That's why he was happy to submit to it.
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Given the baffert cant juice in training, or the day of the races, arnt all his horses tosses? I dont like any of them to begin with.
It came too late, the hard training is already done.
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It came too late, the hard training is already done.
thanks, did not realize the timeframe for when juicing matters.
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