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Old 10-05-2021, 01:01 AM   #46
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The fact that he's not in the Hall of Fame is kind of disgusting.

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Ummmm...hells yeah he has!
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Old 10-05-2021, 07:16 AM   #47
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If Andrew Beyer never saw a horse race and became just another sportswriter, he'd be viewed today as one of the greatest in that department as well.


Try and read some of his old football columns in The Washington Post.

the link is to a great many columns by Beyer in the Post

not sure if it has all of them

I read the Post - without subscribing they'll sometimes let me read one, sometimes two stories in a day - and sometimes they won't let me read any





https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/andrew-beyer/



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Old 10-05-2021, 09:05 AM   #48
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I didn't read it straightforwardly, but gathered its point from excerpts as well as the Amazon reviews, Steven Crist references to it, etc. As mentioned, I think its point is well represented in parimutuel betting, which seems to meet the four criteria for WOC being met as I understand them (diverse opinion, independence in forming opinion, balancing of errors, no weighting for single expert opinion).

My point was that based upon Andy's emphasis, I chose a "specialist" path that I don't think he even pursued beyond obvious pace scenarios, good races/ saved ground twice and now widest, etc. His "kindergarten level" judgements.

After a few years of watching jockey's hands, acceleration, position on the track, etc., I would end up asking myself, "What am I supposed to be seeing"? I switched to using the figures contrarily. The lower the figure the tougher the trip, and in the end attempting to visualizing ability. I made visual charts of the points of call (not realizing Steve Chaplin did this for harness), detecting where a horse made his move prior to the stretch in terms of pace and position on the track, all in the attempt to upgrade an obviously bad looking horse.

But when I slowly realized the public was the collective expert, from some data presented by computer handicappers, I knew I had to estimate again the impact of trips, i.e., the impact of Andy's devoting significant writing to it.
good stuff.

if you're interested in a copy of WOC send me a pm for a link, but it sounds like you know more (the 4 criteria) than I caught skimming the actual book lol

the crowds and the pools are so good. In my view if I like a favorite (or any sort of direct agreement w/ the money), there's little chance of value unless the field size is big and somehow your favorite is even more dominant than he appears. Otherwise you are paying 16% or so to gamble and be entertained.
But that works both ways. When you have competence, and you see an occasional race that is misjudged by the crowds/money it opens up a decent margin of safety. That's what pari-mutuel games are all about. contrarian opinions



side note - also have a tote movement 'model' in mind, but I don't have the tools for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if a syndicate or so already used it.
My implementation of it is cave-man memory or sometimes I will take two screen shots to compare pool moneys. It's a solid theory, but I don't even know if it works, and i don't lean on it.
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Old 10-06-2021, 11:20 AM   #49
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I just heard from Andy, who appreciates all the kind words, but also wanted to make sure people know he's alive and well and continues to work hard on making Beyer figs along with the entire team.
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Beyer's books were great and I always looked forward to his columns.
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I just heard from Andy, who appreciates all the kind words, but also wanted to make sure people know he's alive and well and continues to work hard on making Beyer figs along with the entire team.


Good to hear!
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I just heard from Andy, who appreciates all the kind words, but also wanted to make sure people know he's alive and well and continues to work hard on making Beyer figs along with the entire team.
Thank you for the update on Andrew, Andy. It is much appreciated.
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I just heard from Andy, who appreciates all the kind words, but also wanted to make sure people know he's alive and well and continues to work hard on making Beyer figs along with the entire team.
Andy and I talk frequently these days and I wish I was half as sharp now as he is in his late 70s. Great guy and as as far as horse racing goes, legend is the term that fits best.
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Andy and I talk frequently these days and I wish I was half as sharp now as he is in his late 70s. Great guy and as as far as horse racing goes, legend is the term that fits best.
Among other good qualities, Andy sincerely roots for his friends. Not always a given when it comes to horse players:-)
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Among other good qualities, Andy sincerely roots for his friends. Not always a given when it comes to horse players:-)
Schadenfreude seems to be the only joy some horseplayers know.
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Schadenfreude seems to be the only joy some horseplayers know.
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Andy brought this thread up on the Steve Byk show today.

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Andy brought this thread up on the Steve Byk show today.
True legend IMO and there should be a statue of him built along with other racing hero's.

Many, many years ago when he used to come out to Del Mar in the Summer I was walking around and he was coming toward me and I said hello to him. I said kiddingly "hey Andy Beyer you ruined my life". He and Crist were always on my email list although not sure if they still are cuz of a change in email programs. Both extremely supportive of horseplayer issues and we all appreciate their efforts over the years.

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Andy and I talk frequently these days and I wish I was half as sharp now as he is in his late 70s. Great guy and as as far as horse racing goes, legend is the term that fits best.

if i never saw a beyer book in an obscure australian bookshop. and purchased it on a whim, many years ago, then i would have had a life completely different to the one i have had.
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