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Old 11-03-2007, 12:08 AM   #166
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We have insane politicos,Insane track management,can anyone say anything good about horseracing in this state.

The IRS will soon be trying to collect back taxes from Turf Paradise probably resulting in their closure.

Is that a good thing to say about horseracing the state?
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:59 AM   #167
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No thats not a good thing,It hurts horsemen and other hard working people at the track.I dont think that it would help us to get our ADW accounts back.We need an influential group to come to the rescue and buy out the present owner and then negotiate with the political regime.Get slot machines back on the ballot,for both Horse and dog tracks,pay the indian casinos the 4% to carry the signals,try to bring some sense to the present situation

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Old 11-05-2007, 01:45 AM   #168
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ADW - Arizona

Not sure what ADW is. However i have wagered at turf paradise and teletheatres in ths state - it would seem there is very little support for horse racing in AZ financially. Also casino monies belong to first nations. AZ needs to be aggressive -

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Old 11-05-2007, 01:47 AM   #169
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Just determined what ADW is. It seems archaic to not allow that in AZ
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:09 AM   #170
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Greed

First, let me be clear that this is all speculation but I know the kind of people we are dealing with in our fines state so here goes............

Whenever Jerry Simms (the principal owner of Turf Paradise) and the horseman are on the same side of legislation, I have to wonder what is going on. I'm not saying the horseman were sold a bill of goods but....I really think the horsemen agreed to this new legislation thinking that it would increase the handle at the IN-STATE tracks.

Truth be told, it is my suspicion that Simms actual goal of such legislation is that it would help his handle on the OUT-OF-STATE tracks he simulcasts and got the horsemen to go along selling them on the thought that the IN-STATE handle would increase. You see, Turf Paradise carries a full selection of OUT OF STATE simulcasts (probably 15 to 20 tracks at Turf Paradise Race Track and 4-8 at the off track sites).

Folow me now. Who benefits the most from this legislation? Basically only the owners of Turf Paradise and possilby Yavapai Downs. There has alway been very slight loss of revenues from bettors within Arizona on betting at Turf Paradise that went throught the ADW systems because all but one of the ADW sites banned betting on Turf Paradise even when you were able to use their services. BUT, Turf Paradise, through this legislation has now forced all IN-STATE residents to place their bets on OUT-OF-STATE tracks through Turf Paradise's wagering system.

Wake up horsemen! You might be getting a small benefit from all this but the big winners are the race track owners! The right solution is to do what is right for the bettors, yes, the people that enable you to win purses. Reverse this law and get somebody competent to negotiate fair deals with the ADW sites so you can share equitably in the simulcast wagering revenue. Angering more and more fans is NOT the answer!

How much more of this unbelivable self serving garbage can we take. We love this sport of horse racing but there really will be a time that enough IS enough! That time is getting closer and closer and when it comes the party will be over for everyone.

What if, just what if ALL racing fans boycotted all race tracks for just one day? Would they finally stop treating us like garbage and start treating us like the people that fuel their ENTIRE industry. When are we as fans finally going to say we are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore? When?
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:55 PM   #171
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What if, just what if ALL racing fans boycotted all race tracks for just one day? Would they finally stop treating us like garbage and start treating us like the people that fuel their ENTIRE industry. When are we as fans finally going to say we are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore? When?

Try a year! A day wouldn't mean beans....can't you see them sitting around and dissing us and our stupidity and making a line on whether we would be back tonight, tomorrow or the next day? I started my year on October29 and I can't believe the other things that I'm already into.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:11 AM   #172
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You're right. One day would not get these knuclehead track owners/management and horse owners to take notice. Apparently they are not the brightest! They have the absolutely best wagering and entertainment thing going and yet they insist on treating their customers like pond scum. Here in Arizona, especially at the off-track betting sites (which one is now FORCED to use if you want to wager or face a felony charge) you have many clerk that would rather be anywhere but at their jobs, they frequently run out of the Racing Form early in the day, and you can only get a race result or scratch from the clerks. They don't even have the courtesy to post them anywhere! Then you go to the track, which basically is a dump and you are charged everytime you take a breath. Again, NO results or scratches are posted for any of the simulcast schedules and you are often greeted with a sneer from your clerk (fortunately there are some notable exception to this rule). Ugh, I am getting so sick of Arizona racing as I speak, the thought of not going to the races in this state is more is seeming more and more enjoyable.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:20 PM   #173
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Interesting Development. Maybe he can get the AZ Legislators to see the light.

From Blood Horse

DeMarco to Leave Position With TRA
Date Posted: November 26, 2007
Last Updated: November 27, 2007

From the Thoroughbred Racing Associations

Tony J. DeMarco will leave his post as Thoroughbred Racing Associations service bureau director Dec. 14 to take a research position with the Arizona House of Representatives in Phoenix, Ariz., the TRA announced Nov. 26.

DeMarco has been with the TRA since September 1998. DeMarco, a graduate of the University of Arizona Race Track Industry Program, was a legislative research intern with the Arizona House prior to joining the TRA.

The TRA, headquartered in Fair Hill, Md., is a non-profit trade organization of 44 racing associations in North America.


http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42204
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:22 PM   #174
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DeMarco calls me in '04 during the time I was running the Magna boycott. TRA is going to have a session(s) on player complaints at their meeting in Florida. Can I come down (I'm in California) and do a presentation? I told him I wasn't sure. He said they would pay my travel. He asked me to email him with an outline of a presentation. I did that. After never hearing back, I queried him. Oh! Now they're not going to bring anyone in. He is going to do the presentation. (Right off of my outline!)

Jerk!

Going to work for the Arizona Legislature is a perfect fit for him.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:04 PM   #175
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DeMarco calls me in '04 during the time I was running the Magna boycott. TRA is going to have a session(s) on player complaints at their meeting in Florida. Can I come down (I'm in California) and do a presentation? I told him I wasn't sure. He said they would pay my travel. He asked me to email him with an outline of a presentation. I did that. After never hearing back, I queried him. Oh! Now they're not going to bring anyone in. He is going to do the presentation. (Right off of my outline!)

Jerk!

Going to work for the Arizona Legislature is a perfect fit for him.
Did he give you credit for it when he made the presentation?
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:06 PM   #176
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Did he give you credit for it when he made the presentation?
If so, it wasn't reported. I only saw press coverage of meetings, not minutes.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:24 PM   #177
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A year ago I could bet every track which I wanted too, with my 3 different ADW accounts. I would start the day betting Philly Park at 9:30 AM and keep going until 09:30 at night. Take a look at what I have now to look forward to on a Saturday. Here's the simulcast schedule in AZ for 06/21:

BEL 4-6 11:36 AM
CD 4-6 11:45 AM
PHA 7-8 11:56 AM
AP 3-4 11:58 AM
YAV 1-9 1:10 PM
HOL 1-10 1:20 PM
GG 6-9 3:45 PM
EMD 8-9 5:33 PM
IND 5-7 5:35 PM
MRN 5-6 5:40 PM

Not only are we lucky to be able to bet 2-3 races for several tracks, they don't show them on the monitors until a few minutes before the race starts.

I can't take this B.S. much longer.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:32 PM   #178
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You should join the HANA group. PA was nice enough to give us our own section on the board. We can get behind issues like this and try to wake up the powers that be in Arizona and other places.
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:44 PM   #179
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Its only taken 13 years but you will now not be sent to prison in Arizona for 6 years and can now bet on horses online in Arizona.

Figured this was coming with the recent agreements over online sports betting.
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Old 09-23-2021, 02:17 PM   #180
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Still can't bet GP or Sa and others.
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