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Old 09-14-2021, 07:09 PM   #241
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Look...our sport has a tarnished reputation, and it's battling for survival against some powerful newly-legalized forms of gambling.
The handle at Saratoga, Del Mar and Kentucky Downs aren't so sure about that.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:18 PM   #242
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The handle at Saratoga, Del Mar and Kentucky Downs aren't so sure about that.
I can't understand how Kentucky Downs gets the handle that it does. Nice full fields, but none of the bettors that I know can find a winner there...even with a search warrant.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:26 PM   #243
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So is your ignorance.

Please give everybody here an explanation of how you can oppose what is happening to Baffert (which is your right)...while simultaneously saying you care about the sport. Otherwise, you are taking a legitimate issue and making it Political. That is why you got flamed by me the other day. Idiots like you aren't fooling anybody.
why do you resort to ad hominem attacks?

Its fine to say a statement is ignorant but really you do no favors to attack someone personally, certainly does not help support your arguments.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:28 PM   #244
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You actually have no idea what was given to Medina Spirit.
The only thing you know is he had a overages of a non performance, legal drug, in his system. You are making a lot of assumptions but maybe that is the lawyer in you.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:30 PM   #245
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The handle at Saratoga, Del Mar and Kentucky Downs aren't so sure about that.
I would be interested in knowing how many unique users placed bets, tough to do on track but not with any internet wagering.

Are more people wagering, the same people making larger and more bets, or just CAW teams going wild.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:00 PM   #246
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I would be interested in knowing how many unique users placed bets, tough to do on track but not with any internet wagering.

Are more people wagering, the same people making larger and more bets, or just CAW teams going wild.
So much money was handed out during the pandemic it would not shock me if some it made its way into gambling. It certainly made its way into the prices of my grocery items.
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Kentucky Downs, big interest, and very large pari-mutuel handle in Las Vegas Race Books for all six days of racing this year.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:41 PM   #249
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Do I know you?

i guess you think guilty until proven innocent is the new American way.

We are in big trouble.
If he's criminally charged, he'll get the justice every American receives under our Constitution.

Other than that, everyone has an opinion...including you.
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Old 09-14-2021, 09:13 PM   #250
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The optic that concerns me is how long does this process take?
There are only two samples.....?
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Old 09-14-2021, 10:40 PM   #251
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The optic that concerns me is how long does this process take?
There are only two samples.....?
I've always felt that CD gave Baffert one chance to sleek away with minimal damage........and he dumped all over them(starting with the Sunday presser a week removed from the Derby).
Let's keep it real here,Baffert thought he was bigger than CD/Derby......his arrogance told him so.
Baffert figured he could push back at CDI,claiming he was wronged......and eventually they would go away.
In the process,Baffert hurled a lot of mud CDI's way.........thinking they wouldn't/couldn't fire back at him.
We all know Churchill has no problem mixing it up with people who get in their way......a fact that Baffert and his legal team somehow overlooked.
I'm only guessing on this one,but I think CDI's game plan was to sit chilly and wait for the right time to drill Baffert.....if it took awhile,so be it.
Just take a look at the way the wording for the 2022 Derby/Oaks is laid out,Baffert(and his owners) are screwed blue.
So Churchill got him there,and it's certainly no coincidence that they waited until right after BB big closing weekend at DMR that they released their new and improved Derby/Oaks rules and regulations.......score one for the CDI legal team.
And BTW:
Which legal team has better lawyers,and more money........The Baffert team....or the CDI team ?
In this country,how does that usually work out ?
Let's look at the scoreboard as of today.
Baffert is currently banned from the Deby/Oaks until 2024.......and he's been more or less blackballed from Deby/Oaks prep races.
So for all of Baffert's fancy legal maneuvering:
CDI......2
BB.......0
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It's obvious the KHRC is going to wait and drop the hammer on Baffert when it hurts him the most.
I have no clue when that's going to be,but I suspect they've given it plenty of thought.
And let's not forget that it looks like the NYRA hasn't taken kindly to Baffert getting in their way either........that's going to be a problem for Baffert down the road....no two ways around it.
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When was this overage proven to come from a ointment and not a injection?
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When was this overage proven to come from a ointment and not a injection?
It has not been proven either way and likely never will. Baffert says it was from an ointment and CD believes it was an injection.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:18 AM   #254
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When was this overage proven to come from a ointment and not a injection?
This ointment thing is a crock of shit.

He should be penalized for the overage under the rules that govern such a case.

I dont know what the penalties are for such a thing, and certainly in my book they should much much harsher.
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The only thing you know is he had a overages of a non performance, legal drug, in his system. You are making a lot of assumptions but maybe that is the lawyer in you.
You guys keep ignoring that failing a drug test is supposed to be a grave violation of the rules of the sport. "Overage" is a BS spin word. The rules of the sport say NOTHING about "overages". They say trainers are absolutely responsible for not failing tests.
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