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Old 04-29-2021, 08:42 AM   #1
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O Besos

What do people like so much about this horse? Sure, his final move in the LA Derby suggests he is a more talented closer than say, Hidden Stash. And his speed figures (figures used in Brisnet PPs) are steadily climbing. But 20-1 morning line? ... while Ark. Derby winner Super Stock is 30-1? Am I missing something?
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:15 AM   #2
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I would be careful about using figures from that race. I don't think O Besos and Charlie are as good as the figs say. Maybe because it was 1-3/16 miles.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:30 AM   #3
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Kind of a wise guy horse. I initially was high on him potentially hitting bottom of deeper gimmicks but the more I looked at the Louisiana Derby the more I thought some of the figures there are inflated. Beyer gave Hot Rod a 99 versus a 94 for Known Agenda in Florida. Equibase was 99 and 112 respectively. TG and Brisnet reflect same flip. The breeding and J/T combo don't thrill me either. I just can't see this guy outrunning an Essential Quality, Hidden Agenda, or Highly Motivated type in the stretch.

Maybe I throw him on bottom of tri ticket if I have a hot hand on the undercard, otherwise taking a pass.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:28 AM   #4
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In the Sea Hero derby (1993) there were several horses coming out of the Ark Derby with big figures. From a class viewpoint they were not that good. They all tanked and I remember Andy Beyer commenting on it. I remember because Sea Hero was one one of my rare derby winners.
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Old 04-29-2021, 12:00 PM   #5
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I think heís a logical key for second for 2nD and third. If I do
Key him Iíll have to bet him to win as well by default. But Hes not good enough to win without the right pace
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Old 04-29-2021, 09:10 PM   #6
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In the Sea Hero derby (1993) there were several horses coming out of the Ark Derby with big figures. From a class viewpoint they were not that good. They all tanked and I remember Andy Beyer commenting on it. I remember because Sea Hero was one one of my rare derby winners.
this made me laugh; my winners have been few and far between as well. But I'm sure I got the winner this time
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:56 PM   #7
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O Besos made a nice run up the rail during the race's last furlong. For a moment, I thought he was going to pull a Mine That Bird.
Came in fifth and beat quite a few more lower odds. I liked his post position, I liked his odds, and I liked his late kick.
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