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Old 11-10-2020, 10:48 AM   #16
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It seems like breeding is for those who like to gamble but the pots at the windows are too small. Like how I have no interest in penny poker. A few weeks ago I heard Sid Fernando say words to the effect, "You buy 10 or 12 at the sale averaging $750K per hoping you can hit on one or two of them as a stallion"
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Old 11-10-2020, 12:48 PM   #17
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It seems like breeding is for those who like to gamble but the pots at the windows are too small. Like how I have no interest in penny poker. A few weeks ago I heard Sid Fernando say words to the effect, "You buy 10 or 12 at the sale averaging $750K per hoping you can hit on one or two of them as a stallion"

...as an Eclipse Champion.


Woops... that's so last century.

Breed to Breed. The racing is an afterthought.
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Old 11-10-2020, 01:58 PM   #18
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The breeding is more important than ever because that's where the cash is made but personally I concentrate more on the races and the jockeys.
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Old 11-10-2020, 02:41 PM   #19
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Old 11-10-2020, 04:34 PM   #20
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Breed to Breed. The racing is an afterthought.
You got it right.


and besides, a Baffert exacta, on a scraped-down track.....what racing fan would not find this thrilling?
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:03 PM   #21
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Authentic time in BC Classic????

Maybe this has been addressed somewhere else, but I can't find it.

The final time listed for Authentic was 1:59.19.

How reliable is that?

Why were no fractions listed?

Is this distance at Keeneland the problem?

I never heard a full discussion of it anywhere.

I can figure some kind of timer malfunction, but why?

What are the details?
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:37 PM   #22
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Maybe this has been addressed somewhere else, but I can't find it.

The final time listed for Authentic was 1:59.19.

How reliable is that?

Why were no fractions listed?

Is this distance at Keeneland the problem?

I never heard a full discussion of it anywhere.

I can figure some kind of timer malfunction, but why?

What are the details?
I talked about it on the TimeformUS Pacecast today which I posted a link to earlier. It is in the beginning when talking about the Classic, the very first race we discuss.
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Global Campaign retired, I guess that effort Saturday was all that is needed for the Breeders to flock to him.
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Old 11-10-2020, 09:05 PM   #24
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A. Beyer was on the Byk show and said he used 1:59.83 the Trackis time. He said they could not hand time the video with any degree of accuracy. He also said this is like the fifth 1 1/4 race at Keeneland in the past five years.
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Old 11-10-2020, 09:47 PM   #25
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I really shouldn't say this but I will. It is now better for horse racing and fans that a small group of highly talented three year olds in early Spring get injured for five months and are forced to sit it out and make a comeback at four. Take Charlatan. Do you think if he had won the Belmont in June, and he would have been the favorite had he run, that he would be running as a four year old? Not a chance, he would be off to the breeding shed like Authentic. His injury was a blessing for those who want to see him run and possibly achieve greatness. I never want to see a horse get seriously injured, but a minor one with a full recovery is what is needed now to have a stellar older division.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:34 AM   #26
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Global Campaign retired, I guess that effort Saturday was all that is needed for the Breeders to flock to him.
Did they go thru with that? I thought as of Nov 8 they were thinking of keeping him in to run in Pegasus?

If he did retire, then that's half the BCC field retired.

Authentic, Max, Improbable, Toms De'Tat all retired as well.

At least Tom was 7.

Per Authentic racing in Pegasus: "It just didn't make sense for us."


So much for the fans.

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I really shouldn't say this but I will. It is now better for horse racing and fans that a small group of highly talented three year olds in early Spring get injured for five months and are forced to sit it out and make a comeback at four. <snip>

His injury was a blessing for those who want to see him run and possibly achieve greatness. I never want to see a horse get seriously injured, but a minor one with a full recovery is what is needed now to have a stellar older division.
So horses are better off getting injured, even if slightly, for your "pleasure" and "those who want to see them run"? (but you never want to see a horse injured .... even though you just said you did).


I think it's understandable exactly how the perception of horse racing is in the toilet when I read stuff like this.

Well to your credit, you did say you probably shouldn't say that.
I really don't know anyone who even thinks like this.

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Old 11-11-2020, 12:55 PM   #28
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The game is the draw not a couple of individual horses. I thought the COVID handle at the small tracks made that quite clear. Why bother with the useless handwringing?
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The game is the draw not a couple of individual horses. I thought the COVID handle at the small tracks made that quite clear. Why bother with the useless handwringing?
Wasn't horse racing basically the only form of legal gambling during the COVID shutdown? Does the day-to-day handle match those on "big days" when the top tier horses are running?
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I really shouldn't say this but I will. It is now better for horse racing and fans that a small group of highly talented three year olds in early Spring get injured for five months and are forced to sit it out and make a comeback at four. Take Charlatan. Do you think if he had won the Belmont in June, and he would have been the favorite had he run, that he would be running as a four year old? Not a chance, he would be off to the breeding shed like Authentic. His injury was a blessing for those who want to see him run and possibly achieve greatness. I never want to see a horse get seriously injured, but a minor one with a full recovery is what is needed now to have a stellar older division.
The problem is that the older division stakes program has been decimated along with the proportion of the top 3yos that continue on as 4yos and older.

The group of horses you were talking about (horses that missed the TC, the TC also-rans that time off, and the late bloomers) usually targeted the Strub series at Santa Anita (3 top level races at 7f, 9f, 10f) at the end of the year. But the bright folks at SA and the Stronach Group decided to do away with the series so that they could concentrate on making the San Antonio some sort of prep for their fake multi-million dollar race at Gulfstream. In the process they've exposed the Big Cap to a possible multi-level downgrade (it should be a Grade 3).

California has 3 10f stakes spaced about 2-3 months apart over the entire year but all the preps in-between (San Pasqual, San Antonio, San Bernardino, Mervyn Leroy, Californian, Bel Air) are gone or soon to be gone. The only other 2 10f stakes are the Jockey Club Gold Cup and the BC Classic. The Suburban should be up in there, but is starting to run on fumes.

Saratoga has the Whitney and Woodward now but it's starting to appear that those races are "too close together" as many horses skip one over the other. The Jockey Club Gold Cup is starting to look like NY's answer to the Big Cap, and the Kelso moving to the dirt has been a further nuisance to the JCGC, drawing horses like Honor Code, Code of Honor, To Honor and Serve, and Uncle Mo that ultimately ran in the BC Classic.

Churchill has 3 decent stakes (Alysheba, Stephen Foster, and Clark) but Keeneland drops the ball with a couple of Grade 3 races in between CD's meets.

Pimlico Special is ready to disappear for another 50 years like it did before.

A far cry from the American Championship Racing Series which should have been a game changer in terms of keeping horses around.
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