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View Poll Results: How often do you blame the jockey when your horse loses?
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Never
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4 |
6.15% |
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Hardly ever
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21 |
32.31% |
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Occasionally
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35 |
53.85% |
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About half of the time
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3.08% |
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Most of the time
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1.54% |
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Almost every time
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1.54% |
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Every time I lose
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09-05-2017, 08:28 PM
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#16
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
I think the interesting question is if jocks are worse now. I definitely think the depth of real quality riders has decreased since the 90s.
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I was looking at a Racing Form from August of 1994 recently.
Saratoga had, Bailey, Smith, Day, Velazquez, Santos, Krone, Chavez, Migliore, Maple, Perret, Alvarado, Robbie Davis, Jean Luc Samyn, Shane Sellers, Mike Luzzi etc..
Del Mar had, McCarron, Delahoussaye, Nakatani, Flores, Pat Valenzuela, Gary Stevens, Antley, Pincay, Solis.
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09-05-2017, 08:31 PM
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Henderson, Nevada
Posts: 174
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Jockeys
I do not blame the Jockey as good & bad trips even out. In 50 plus years of racing, I only remember two times the Jockey was at fault. Both times the Jockey jumped off the horse he was riding, but since I did not bet on them, I was not effected. Although in one case, my buddy had $20 on the horse who was in front (at 8/1) and the Jockey jumped off the horse 10 yards from the wire. The horse was DQ'd for not carrying assigned weight for the full race.
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09-06-2017, 10:19 AM
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#18
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,176
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Even the great Willie Shoemaker fell asleep in the Kentucky Derby, and then at 54, he rode Ferdinand in one of the best rides I've seen.
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09-06-2017, 01:54 PM
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#19
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fmazur
I do not blame the Jockey as good & bad trips even out.
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This is the right answer IMO.
How many times does a handicapper say "hey, I was really wrong about that race, but luckily Bejarano screwed up big time on that horse and I got to cash?" But that, by definition, happens just as often as the jockey screwing up on the horse you bet on.
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09-06-2017, 03:08 PM
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#20
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,230
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I just want the jockeys to read the form and learn their preferred running style of their mount.
Then run it that way.
Unless the trainer suggests trying a new approach which we wouldn't know.
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09-06-2017, 08:24 PM
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#21
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,190
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My favorite is when a jockey puts a drop dead closer on the lead. They are not called pin heads for nothing.
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09-06-2017, 08:36 PM
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 23,559
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Seems like we can avoid a good number of jockey screw-ups by using caution when our selection is 'dependent' on a certain kind of trip.
When you have to start mapping out tactics, it's a big red flag.
The jockeys often seem totally oblivious.
If your horse needs a specific ride from maybe a bad post, or a certain pace projection you'd better be getting a great value.
For every jock who takes the initiative and gets a great trip, you'll have two who opt to go mid-pack and wide from post  on a stone-cold closer! 
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09-06-2017, 10:16 PM
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#23
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Lincoln, NE
Posts: 11,474
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Hardly ever.
I may yell "poor ride" at the time, but I'll settle and realize it was my problem.
Way too much credit given to "great" rides or "poor" and much less credit given to simply better animals.
If you are blaming jockeys, then you aren't winning. Pretty simple as that.
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09-07-2017, 07:14 AM
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#24
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Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9,047
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I'm just glad I learned today that if a jockey gives a bad ride....it's not their fault, it's the bettors.
Also, if you point out a good or bad ride, then you aren't winning.
Meanwhile people want to bet on jockeys at Kentucky Downs. Gotcha! 
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09-07-2017, 07:26 AM
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#25
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I'm just glad I learned today that if a jockey gives a bad ride....it's not their fault, it's the bettors.
Also, if you point out a good or bad ride, then you aren't winning.
Meanwhile people want to bet on jockeys at Kentucky Downs. Gotcha! |
I agree with this. A good ride, a bad ride, that's independent from whether you won or lost your bet (though it can be why you won or lost your bet).
I figured this must be about how you've decided to deal with it as a bettor.
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09-07-2017, 12:12 PM
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#26
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 2,145
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Quote:
Originally Posted by outofthebox
I will blame the jock if he gets in trouble, or bad positioning. If he does nothing wrong and horse doesn't fire, i quickly blame the trainer. I hardly ever blame my handicapping..
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Well said. I think this is the philosophy of a lot of players. 
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09-07-2017, 06:02 PM
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#27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Seems like we can avoid a good number of jockey screw-ups by using caution when our selection is 'dependent' on a certain kind of trip.
When you have to start mapping out tactics, it's a big red flag.
The jockeys often seem totally oblivious.
If your horse needs a specific ride from maybe a bad post, or a certain pace projection you'd better be getting a great value.
For every jock who takes the initiative and gets a great trip, you'll have two who opt to go mid-pack and wide from post on a stone-cold closer! |
FWIW, sometimes the trip is obvious. For instance, I have found that a pretty high percentage of the time, when the horse figures to have an advantage from being the only speed in the race, the jockey does what he or she is supposed to do and sends the horse.
Where it's a lot more iffy is with things like being on the right part of a biased track or sitting and waiting behind a speed duel.
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09-09-2017, 09:33 PM
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#28
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 5,803
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Santiago Gonzales in the 8th at Los Alamitos today.
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09-10-2017, 04:21 PM
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#29
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 5,803
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
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09-10-2017, 04:36 PM
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#30
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
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Seems pretty light to me, but they let Kent off easy all the time so I guess the precedent has been set.
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