Gun Control poll

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Mass shootings are good for NRA business.

In the past 10+ years, membership dues peaked to a historic high after the VA tech shooting that killed 32. And in 2013 after Sandy Hook, membership spiked 63%. I have no doubt we'll see likewise after Parkland.

No they aren't.

Its the assault on the 2nd Amendment based on emotion and not facts that are good for the NRA. We've been addressing facts most the time yet all of you ignore them. We have HCAP harping on the fact the existence of guns leads to death which is not a winning argument and that's about it as far as facts are concerned.

Who was the first target of all this? Pretty sure it was CNN and the Town Hall attacking the NRA and a gun-owners. The killer is still alive BTW... where is the talk about him?

[Tom]

The killer is still alive BTW... where is the talk about him?

I'll go first - kill the SOB in his cell.
No need for a trial - blow his frigging head off.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

The NRA is technically a non profit, but it is the lobby arm of the gun manufacturers. Everything the modern NRA does is toward the goal of selling more guns.

You know the history of the NRA?

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

You know the history of the NRA?

Yep, which makes the fact that it’s little more today than a shill for the gun industry all the more sad.

[FantasticDan]

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/attn/status/968317032411181056

There are countless examples that fly in the face of that statement... again not a winning argument. Oregon, Texas, ect.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

There are countless examples that fly in the face of that statement... again not a winning argument. Oregon, Texas, ect.

The Congressional baseball shooting?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

The Congressional baseball shooting?

Yeah it's pointless. The good guy with a gun didn't exist until they did. Now it's the ultimate good guy, the cop, couldn't do it so surely you couldn't either...

I'll take my chances.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

We have HCAP harping on the fact the existence of guns leads to death which is not a winning argument and that's about it as far as facts are concerned.

Winning is not the correct adjective. Try true. I do not expect prophets of the gun loving clique to accept it, nevertheless your fascination and love of guns is in fact the same reason we have many mass shootings.

Loonies with guns leverage their feelings of inferiority by arming themselves. an AMERICAN cultural interpretation on "good" vs "evil" ingrained into us since childhood. Hard to see unless one is honest with oneself . Or carefully can watch your son and his friends adapt to"being a man" in the 20th- 21st century.

Unfortunately I AGREE, self defense may be necessary to counter these loonies compensation for thinking of not being treated well by others or their self justified mission to be heard.

Power that can be carried in a pocket or back pack can be intoxicating

Anyone remember his cold dark hands?



Then again let's really justify. Boxcar? it

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

nevertheless your fascination and love of guns is in fact the same reason we have many mass shootings.

Warped.

Cure thyself, doctor.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Warped.

Cure thyself, doctor.

Hit yourself hard. Wake up.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by hcap

Winning is not the correct adjective. Try true. I do not expect prophets of the gun loving clique to accept it, nevertheless your fascination and love of guns is in fact the same reason we have many mass shootings.

No one is going to deny that guns cause gun deaths. If we were to outlaw guns then the number would drop drastically. Motorist deaths would also largely cease if we outlawed cars.

I don't think any rational person would argue these with you. I also am happy that you are at least honest enough to admit that you would like to see guns banned in general. Unfortunately, for you we have constitutional protections against that. Also the reason gun loonies exist is because we know deep down how you feel about the issue. You're different in that you're mostly honest about it but the majority aren't and that's why your side is doomed when it comes to getting anything meaningful accomplished.

Maniac gets a gun and shoots up a school. Your response is to attack law abiding Americans and a group that fights for their right. Good plan...

[hcap]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

No one is going to deny that guns cause gun deaths. If we were to outlaw guns then the number would drop drastically. Motorist deaths would also largely cease if we outlawed cars.

I don't think any rational person would argue these with you. I also am happy that you are at least honest enough to admit that you would like to see guns banned in general. Unfortunately, for you we have constitutional protections against that. Also the reason gun loonies exist is because we know deep down how you feel about the issue. You're different in that you're mostly honest about it but the majority aren't and that's why your side is doomed when it comes to getting anything meaningful accomplished.

Maniac gets a gun and shoots up a school. Your response is to attack law abiding Americans and a group that fights for their right. Good plan...

I am trying to get across the subtle psychological motivations why male children sometimes flip out. Not specific therapeutic details, which varies, but why their flip out gets channeled into arming themselves. Chicken/egg problem. Self defense against these flip outs motivate law abiding Americans into arming themselves as protected by "ye olde time" constitutional law, which is then by cultural acceptance consequentially gets programmed into male children to arm themselves in order to fight and justify imaginary wrongs. An American folklore epic echoed in our movies and media..
Re: Charlton Heston, John Wayne, Ronald Reagon, Clint Eastood, etc, etc.


As I mentioned.....

"Power that can be carried in a pocket or back pack can be intoxicating"

Guns can make our kids drunk and some can't handle it

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by hcap

I am trying to get across the subtle psychological motivations why male children sometimes flip out. Not specific therapeutic details, which varies, but why their flip out gets channeled into arming themselves.

Males, did you forget about Brenda "I don't like Mondays" Spencer? I know, that one was rare. Why are male children, outside of gang violence arming themselves and shooting things up, more and more as time passes by? I graduated High School in 1978. If you look at geographic location gun ownership rates are similar to what they were 40 years ago. I grew up in So Cal and lived in a few bad areas after my parents divorced. Fist fights at school were almost a daily occurrence at some, in fact I was responsible for 3 of them in my first two days at a Junior High. Even through out districts use of any weapon in a school fight was rare, school shooting pretty much did not exist. Schoolyard bullies have been around since schools, they just were dealt with differently back in the day. You could either find a tougher kid who did not like bullies for protection or gang up on him. Most bullies don't like those that fight back and will move on to easier prey.

Blaming the increase on mass shootings on guns is absurd as they have been around in their current form (capacity, rate of fire, size of ammo, etc) for a 100 years. The problem lies elsewhere for anyone who doesn't get their knowledge of guns from Lawrence O'Donnell or a similar misinformation specialist.

[PaceAdvantage]

Of course the problem lies elsewhere.

I'll use just as specious of an argument as blaming guns and calling for a ban.

I blame it all on liberal ideology, which has crept further and further into the mainstream as these gun massacres have become more common.

So ban liberals, I say.