Tiz the Law

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

Several? I mean I guess the 2yo race at Churchill could have been better but I'm not sure the horse was very good that day anyway. The Derby, not sure what else he was supposed to do from that far outside. It wasn't a great trip but every horse can't get a great trip. What others?

The Champagne was herky-jerky. And one of the Gulfstream races wasn't great either.

[dilanesp]

It looks like I called it on Manny Franco:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Amateurca...99184854016001

[Ruiner]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It looks like I called it on Manny Franco:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Amateurca...99184854016001

Haha you were right mate. You have my twitter follow from now on.

[cj]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It looks like I called it on Manny Franco:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Amateurca...99184854016001

I'll never understand jockeys giving up positions that horses earn with a great start. It is one of the stupidest moves ever. If your horse breaks great, make the others EARN getting in front of you if that is where they want to be.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

I'll never understand jockeys giving up positions that horses earn with a great start. It is one of the stupidest moves ever. If your horse breaks great, make the others EARN getting in front of you if that is where they want to be.

Yeah, the only reason you should ever do it is if the pace is suicidal.

[cj]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Yeah, the only reason you should ever do it is if the pace is suicidal.

Even in that case it would be because the other horses are determined to get in front of you, which is fine. Giving up an advantage because of some pre-concieved plan is just dumb.

[Robert Fischer]

Tough situation vs. Authentic's bull rush, and Improbable's stalking quality

Dueling would have gotten away from Maximum Security's 'fullback' tactics, but would have set the table for Improbable.



I'm just glad that Tiz the Law is not retired.

Fun to see him run again, and with a new jock.


Good Call Dilanesp

[cj]

JRV to ride him going forward, Franco got the boot.

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by cj

Even in that case it would be because the other horses are determined to get in front of you, which is fine. Giving up an advantage because of some pre-concieved plan is just dumb.

I wonder if the plan was Tagg's and not Franco's.

Tiz the Law always breaks sharp, often times on top. Franco always wrangles him back and struggles to get him to settle. Tagg watched him nearly rip the colt's head off in both the Champagne and the Holy Bull. He must be OK with it (I guess because he won both those races).

It's not quite clear what Tagg is upset about. Was it the breaking on top and letting Authentic clear? Was it strangling the colt to get him to settle in the first 1/4 mile? Or was it because he gave up the rail at crunch time nearly sawing off By My Standards to get to the outside?

I think it's the latter. If he stayed on the rail, where he had plenty of room, he would have cleared a struggling Maximum Security and been in the thick of it for 2nd instead of for 4th.

That said, it would be interesting to see what this horse could do on the lead early given that he tends to pull in his races anyways. They basically got away with murder in his earlier races (probably thanks to soft fields) by strangling him back and getting outside.

Of course, if Franco tried to duel with Authentic and failed Tagg would have cried about that and fired him anyways. I was kind of hoping Johnny Velasquez would get the mount back on Tacitus...

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

JRV to ride him going forward, Franco got the boot.

The right call.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by cj

I'll never understand jockeys giving up positions that horses earn with a great start. It is one of the stupidest moves ever. If your horse breaks great, make the others EARN getting in front of you if that is where they want to be.

One of my pet peeves. It used to really burn my ass when after a big race the jock would say something like “we decided to take back” We my ass? You did

[Augenj]

Originally Posted by cj

I'll never understand jockeys giving up positions that horses earn with a great start. It is one of the stupidest moves ever. If your horse breaks great, make the others EARN getting in front of you if that is where they want to be.

EXACTLY!

[classhandicapper]

I'll never understand jockeys giving up positions that horses earn with a great start. It is one of the stupidest moves ever. If your horse breaks great, make the others EARN getting in front of you if that is where they want to be.

It makes no sense. It may not make sense to urge the horse hard to keep that position, but it almost never makes sense to strangle him back. IMO, you should usually just let the horse do what he's comfortable doing at that point.

[classhandicapper]

I wonder if Tiz the Law is simply not very comfortable racing inside behind horses. He was inside for awhile in his first loss when he ran a subpar race.

It's also possible he's simply not that good.

There were questions abut how good he actually was all spring when he was catching soft fields and not running particularly fast. Then he had that beak out performance in the Travers and everyone just assumed that was his new level. But that was also a soft "Travers" field and it's not like Max Player or South Bend did a lot to validate that figure either.

[Sysonby]

I actually think he is that good. I'm not sure if it's inside per se or if he just doesn't like getting dirt in his face, which is not uncommon. At any rate, very glad to see JV get the mount as the ride in the BCC was truly unfortunate.