The Belmont-Fallout Begins

[cj]

Originally Posted by nijinski

He wasn't the only trainer that complained.
NYRA really wasn't to blame. I thought the state's wagering board came up with the regulations and many here agreed it was bad timing and overkill.

My point was he was complaining about something that he wasn't even involved in. Is he the self appointed spokesman for trainers now? Maybe this will force another fake retirement.

[PaceAdvantage]

Detective Goren has posted here on more than one occasion that he often posts just to "push buttons."

Take that for what it's worth...I'm sure he'll have no problem admitting to that, since he's already posted it publicly.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Detective Goren has posted here on more than one occasion that he often posts just to "push buttons."

Take that for what it's worth...I'm sure he'll have no problem admitting to that, since he's already posted it publicly.

I don't have a problem admitting to that.

[Tom]

I dare say that online message boards would cease to exist were it not for those "bored guys who are desperate for interaction".

Does that include the REALLY bored guys who are there in every thread keeping score of the bored guys?

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Tom

Does that include the REALLY bored guys who are there in every thread keeping score of the bored guys?

Nobody will admit to that.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Tom

Does that include the REALLY bored guys who are there in every thread keeping score of the bored guys?

Right On!

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I dare say that online message boards would cease to exist were it not for those "bored guys who are desperate for interaction".

Even a "fool" should be entitled to post an opinion without some of the fallout that ensues whenever we post against the mighty NYRA....or the sport in general.

We are not attacking a member of someone's family when we criticize a horse racing governing body...but it sometimes seems like we are.

All this bullshit about some of us being "NYRA haters", or haters of the sport in general, is totally unsubstanciated and misdirected.

We have nothing against NYRA, and we happen to love this sport.

But we also happen to think that some criticism is deserved at certain times...and feel that only through the showing of dissatifaction can real change ever be implemented in a sport which has obviously lost its way.

The horseplayer has become an afterthought in today's game and has a right to complain...without been told to "stop 'whining' and leave the game if he is not happy playing it".

And it's really sad when the ones who are telling him to stop whining and leave the game...are other horseplayers.

Oh stop already. Every few weeks you trot out the same song and dance. Who are you trying to convince here besides yourself? I know you're the appointed teacher here, but I'm not interested in your lessons.

I've said it probably a dozen times, complain your little heart away. Of course some criticism is deserved. Well thought out, informed criticisms are a way that things are going to get changed.

Bored people with no idea of the situations, nor ideas for solutions....because they aren't impacted about what they are whining about is what I object to.

I've said to you many times. You want discussions about real issues let me know. But pity parties don't get change.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Oh stop already. Every few weeks you trot out the same song and dance. Who are you trying to convince here besides yourself? I know you're the appointed teacher here, but I'm not interested in your lessons.

I've said it probably a dozen times, complain your little heart away. Of course some criticism is deserved. Well thought out, informed criticisms are a way that things are going to get changed.

Bored people with no idea of the situations, nor ideas for solutions....because they aren't impacted about what they are whining about is what I object to.

I've said to you many times. You want discussions about real issues let me know. But pity parties don't get change.

I will stop "trotting out the same song and dance" when you tell me what qualifies you to take the attacking approach that you examplify in your post here.

What makes you think that you are so much more "informed" than me...or anybody else here?

And what difference does it make if I am the "appointed teacher here"...whatever that means?

Have I ever downplayed your own handicapping skills...or failed to praise you on your handicapping exhibitions?

Have I ever suggested that you need handicapping "lessons" from me?

Why are you guilty of the exact same "deflections" that you find so contemptible in others?

[iceknight]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Well thought out, informed criticisms are a way that things are going to get changed.

Please cite a few of those that you may have offered on this board. Most of the time I see you offer short one liners that can be ignored or phrases like "you are a fool" etc. You fall for the bait lot of times. For the record, i think people complain about nyra just like everyone complains about microsoft.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I will stop "trotting out the same song and dance" when you tell me what qualifies you to take the attacking approach that you examplify in your post here.

What makes you think that you are so much more "informed" than me...or anybody else here?

And what difference does it make if I am the "appointed teacher here"...whatever that means?

Have I ever downplayed your own handicapping skills...or failed to praise you on your handicapping exhibitions?

Have I ever suggested that you need handicapping "lessons" from me?

Why are you guilty of the exact same "deflections" that you find so contemptible in others?

If you are questioning why you can't post one long-winded soliloquy about the same topic after another, why can't anyone disagree with you?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you are questioning why you can't post one long-winded soliloquy about the same topic after another, why can't anyone disagree with you?

Does the tone of my posts resemble the tone of his most recent post to me?

When I post my "long-winded soliloquy about the same topic"...am I attacking particular posters of this board?

Do I call them "fools"...or "uninformed"?

Is that what we deserve every time we criticize NYRA...or any other horse racing organization?

What makes you guys so much more "informed" than us?

You have failed to provide us with the credentials for all this "inside" knowledge you have been able to accumulate.

Tell me how you guys got to be so smart...and I will stop arguing with you...about NYRA or anything else.

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by cj

My point was he was complaining about something that he wasn't even involved in. Is he the self appointed spokesman for trainers now? Maybe this will force another fake retirement.

For whatever it's worth , he mentioned O'Neill's treatment , perhaps he was supporting him , maybe it's an excuse . I really don't know.

Personally I have no problem with his decision to retire at that time , even though I also believed he'd return. I'm not in his shoes , but that had to be a real tough time , with a worldwide audience .

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I will stop "trotting out the same song and dance" when you tell me what qualifies you to take the attacking approach that you examplify in your post here.

What makes you think that you are so much more "informed" than me...or anybody else here?

And what difference does it make if I am the "appointed teacher here"...whatever that means?

Have I ever downplayed your own handicapping skills...or failed to praise you on your handicapping exhibitions?

Have I ever suggested that you need handicapping "lessons" from me?

Why are you guilty of the exact same "deflections" that you find so contemptible in others?

My comments were to Goren. The guy who admits he posts for a reaction. I'm confident I'm more informed than he is.

I tired of your nonsense awhile ago and am not real interested in going back and forth with you. We disagree about this and a ton of other things. I'm okay with it. You should be too.

Your students need you. Stop wasting so much time in off topic and with nobodies like me and get teaching.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Does the tone of my posts resemble the tone of his most recent post to me?

When I post my "long-winded soliloquy about the same topic"...am I attacking particular posters of this board?

Do I call them "fools"...or "uninformed"?

Is that what we deserve every time we criticize NYRA...or any other horse racing organization?

What makes you guys so much more "informed" than us?

You have failed to provide us with the credentials for all this "inside" knowledge you have been able to accumulate.

Tell me how you guys got to be so smart...and I will stop arguing with you...about NYRA or anything else.

Probably because you have been pontificating about the same thing for weeks now. We all know your stance, you feel disenchanted, cheated, robbed from and you're mad as hell. Every person who was financially hurt by the NYRA takeout situation had some combination (if not all) of the same emotions you did. The difference is that most people have recognized the attempt made to rectify the situation and opt to concentrate on what will happen going forward. You strike me as the type of person that has a REALLY hard time letting things go.

Have I ever stated to you that I am more informed than you, smarter than you, or have access to superior information? No.

You have now turned this into becoming the spokesperson for the victims who are bullied for offering their opinion. You seem to have appointed yourself as Robert Goren's spokesperson. His posts are the definition of boorish and uninformed. He basically admitted so much in agreeing that he occasionally "just posts to push buttons." The fact that you have taken up the support role on his behalf when he kicked off his participation in this thread with a ridiculous non-sequitur is comical. He brought up "NYRA apologists" in the midst of a thread that A) had no mention of NYRA whatsoever and B) did not concern NYRA, but the NY Racing and Wagering Board.

This is the first time I have even replied to you after one of your patented soliloquies, but I appreciate you lumping me into the people who are the "them" in your theoretical "us vs. them" showdown.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I tired of your nonsense awhile ago and am not real interested in going back and forth with you. We disagree about this and a ton of other things. I'm okay with it. You should be too.

Pity...I enjoyed our online interaction.

But I guess all good things must come to an end...