Hong Kong racing......????????

[CheckMark]

Also, an option is if your ADW offers free programs like HPI here in Canada it's Equibase, not DRF but 2nd best to the ones that they offer at DRF/Brisnet

HKH_20210623_Free.pdf

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by delfman

you may be right but it's a case of "can't teach an old dog, new tricks"
I've been using only drf pp's(for 35 yrs) and am very accustomed to them.

If you've been that indoctrinated to interpreting those type of PP's and unwilling to adapt then I would suggest that you avoid playing the races in HK altogether.

[delfman]

Originally Posted by Nitro

If you've been that indoctrinated to interpreting those type of PP's and unwilling to adapt then I would suggest that you avoid playing the races in HK altogether.

I suppose I could adapt, as long as the HK pp's have easy to decipher running lines with comments.

[martini]

I like Hong Kong racing. The fields are excellent, there is typically good parity in how the races are drawn, and the show has lovely commentary.

I'm in the US. I'd like to see Hong Kong introduce exacta betting (quinellas suck) and get the minimum for trifecta betting down to 50 cents or maybe 20 like in Japan. That would be a huge improvement to their product, IMO.

[Ted Craven]

Originally Posted by martini

I like Hong Kong racing. The fields are excellent, there is typically good parity in how the races are drawn, and the show has lovely commentary.

I'm in the US. I'd like to see Hong Kong introduce exacta betting (quinellas suck) and get the minimum for trifecta betting down to 50 cents or maybe 20 like in Japan. That would be a huge improvement to their product, IMO.

Trifecta minimum wager unit is $0.20 at AmWager. Hong Kong 'Forecast' bet is the Exacta, but not available this season in North America.

Why does the Quinella 'suck'? Works for me ...

Ted

[Half Smoke]

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as far as PPs go - the HKJC gives you a lot of info totally free

the link is to the horse Glorious Artist in Race 4 today at Happy Valley
you just click on the horse in the race card to get this
you can also click on the jockey and trainer to get info

some info is not there - basically the margins at the fractions
but there is a video link on the far right if you feel you need that

the 2nd link is what the HKJC calls "Hong Kong Racing 101"

it's very basic info but it can be useful to someone starting out

it's a different format but it's really not all that difficult to follow

I don't think, however, that the PPs from HKJC approach the ease and usefulness of PPs we are used to seeing in the U.S.



https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/infor...d=HK_2017_B210


https://entertainment.hkjc.com/enter...1_201609-e.pdf



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[CheckMark]

Originally Posted by Half Smoke

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as far as PPs go - the HKJC gives you a lot of info totally free

the link is to the horse Glorious Artist in Race 4 today at Happy Valley
you just click on the horse in the race card to get this
you can also click on the jockey and trainer to get info

some info is not there - basically the margins at the fractions
but there is a video link on the far right if you feel you need that

the 2nd link is what the HKJC calls "Hong Kong Racing 101"

it's very basic info but it can be useful to someone starting out

it's a different format but it's really not all that difficult to follow

I don't think, however, that the PPs from HKJC approach the ease and usefulness of PPs we are used to seeing in the U.S.



https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/infor...d=HK_2017_B210


https://entertainment.hkjc.com/enter...1_201609-e.pdf



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I second that about the HKJC having the best handicapping information and it's FREE! Someone can spend hours on there finding stats and information to make better betting decisions on the races

I was doing speed figures for a while but have now have started to do my own selections using the information on the website

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by martini

I like Hong Kong racing. The fields are excellent, there is typically good parity in how the races are drawn, and the show has lovely commentary.

I'm in the US. I'd like to see Hong Kong introduce exacta betting (quinellas suck) and get the minimum for trifecta betting down to 50 cents or maybe 20 like in Japan. That would be a huge improvement to their product, IMO.

I certainly agree with your initial comment...but

Based on the overall consistently of the very large betting pool sizes why would the HK Jockey Club be interested in changing their betting size options?

I’m also very fond of their Quinella payoffs. Why not? You spend half the amount as an Exacta and more often then not the return value is just as good!
As far as their Triple return value goes its generally equivalent or even better than a Super payout in the States. Why? Because their average field sizes consistently range between 12 and 14 entries!
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=165381

I’m waiting for any local ADW to offer the co-mingling of their Quartet (Super) bets. Some of those payoffs are just incredible!

[SharpCat]

Originally Posted by Nitro

I’m waiting for any local ADW to offer the co-mingling of their Quartet (Super) bets. Some of those payoffs are just incredible!

I second this and also wish they would co-mingle the triple trio.

[Nitro]

And talking about "Results" these examples were the payoffs from 2 commonly available ADW’s:

Hong Kong – Happy Valley WED 6/23 –
Results: Race 2
TVG:

POS	#	Horse	         Win	Place	Show
1st:	10	Spicy Grill	$23.10	$6.80	
2nd:	6	Lucky Maryknoll		$18.00	
3rd:	9	Viva Mama		$4.10	
4th:	11	Shanghai Power		
	
•	$1.00 QUINELLA 6-10     $287.40
•	$1.00 EXACTA 10-6               $682.30
•	$1.00 TRIFECTA 10-6-9                   $5537.50
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Twin Spires

10 PP 10  Spicy GrillVincent HoK W Lui    $23.10   $6.80 
6   PP 6   Lucky MaryknollR MaiaDavid Hayes  ..... $18.00 
9   PP 2    Viva MamaMatthew PoonPeter Ho     ...  $4.10 

Pool Type……………..Runners………..Payout 
$1 Omni/Swinger ………6/10…………..$66.70 
$1 Omni/Swinger ……….6/9………...$34.50 
$1 Omni/Swinger ………9/10…………..$15.65 
$1 Quinella …………….6/10…………...$287.40 
$1.30 Trifecta ………10/6/9………..$7,198.75 
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[Nitro]

A somewhat lengthy but excellent read about how the Hong Kong racing model fits into the future plans of the overall worldwide racing scene.

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/a...adership-role/

[Frost king]

The article is 6 yrs olds, just like most of the horses in Hong Kong.

[woodbinepmi]

Originally Posted by Frost king

The article is 6 yrs olds, just like most of the horses in Hong Kong.

That's one of the best things about betting Hong Kong, they don't rush horses to the breeding shed. 99% of the horses are geldings so you get to see the top class horses run for 5 to 6 years.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by Frost king

The article is 6 yrs olds, just like most of the horses in Hong Kong.

If you actually read it you might have noticed the age of article has really nothing to do with the significance of its O.A. content and future implications.

As far as the horse's ages go, its commonly known throughout the world wide horse racing community that the majority of quality stock reach full maturity during their 5th and 6th years of age.
How often do you see any classy animals of that age running at all in the States?

The fact is that in Hong Kong they race for the sake of racing and have no other ulterior motives like breeding. Perhaps that's another reason why their product is far superior to what's being offered else where.

[Half Smoke]

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a thank you note to Nitro:


because of his excellent posts on Hong Kong racing I got interested in it whereas before reading his posts I never was

I've been betting HK and using a personal variation of some of his strategies and the results have been good

I can't deny the strong possibility that the good results are only due to luck as I haven't made a great # of bets

that's okay - still and all I'm enjoying the ride

still, as might be expected, I have a greater interest in U.S. racing - it's kind of like I've toured Nice, France and I really love it - but I'm not moving to Nice



thanks again Dude



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