Early Speed

[hitbids]

If Quirin Speed Points aren't available, what constitutes a horse that may be desginated an E8? It seems I have read that they run in excess of 60 FPS but I am curious what others think. I am reading a lot of different information on Pace and welcome any thoughts are suggestions.

[Overlay]

Are you saying that you don't have visibility of the horse's running position and lengths ahead or behind at the first call of its latest races?

[Tom]

http://www.predictem.com/horse/quirin-speed-points.php

[SPEEDHORSE]

Can somebody illustrate how a horse can get 8 Quirin Speed Points?

[iwearpurple]

Originally Posted by SPEEDHORSE

Can somebody illustrate how a horse can get 8 Quirin Speed Points?

How to Calculate Quirin Speed Points for Sprint Races

Note: Before any calculations, each horse in the race is awarded 1 speed point

From the three representative running lines you have selected for each horse:

1. Award 1 point for each sprint in which the horse was first, second or third at the first call.
2. Award 1 point for each sprint in which the horse was within 2 lengths of the leader at the first call. (Note: A horse can get a speed point for being first second or third at the first call AND a point for being within 2 lengths at the first call – for a maximum of two points per race.)
3. Award 0 points for any other sprint performance.
4. Award 0 points for any route performance, unless the horse was within 1 length of the lead at the first call. In this case, the race should NOT be used in the calculations at all.
5. Note: In seven furlong races, a horse can only receive 2 speed points if it led at the first call. Award only 1 point if the horse was second or third at the first call or was within 2 lengths at the first call.
6. Total up the points for each horse and add them to the 1 point the horse started with.
7. Award 1 bonus point if a horse was within a neck of the leader in each rated race.
8. Each horse will now have a total of 1-8 speed points. Write this number beside the horse in the past performances.

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For a horse running in a route race today, the horse earns eight points for leading at the first call in each of its three ratable races, or else being within one length of the leader at the first call of each of its ratable route races, or within three lengths of the leader at the first call of each of its ratable sprint races. (If the horse was not within three lengths of the leader at the first call of a prior sprint race, the horse receives a bye for that race, and it does not count as a ratable race in calculating the horse's speed-point total.) (Under Quirin's original procedure, you go back no farther than five races in the horse's record in an attempt to find three ratable races for it.)

[1ejp]

I'm trying to figure out which pts of call Quirin's speed point system uses in DRF PP's.

In sprint races it'll have no beaten lengths eg.

beyers = 40 post pos = 2 1st call = 6 2nd call = 715 3rd call = 48 fin = 26

40 2 6 71548 26

Do you use the 6 or the 715 ?

I am new to handicapping in any detailed manner, so no laughing!

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by 1ejp

I'm trying to figure out which pts of call Quirin's speed point system uses in DRF PP's.

In sprint races it'll have no beaten lengths eg.

beyers = 40 post pos = 2 1st call = 6 2nd call = 715 3rd call = 48 fin = 26

40 2 6 71548 26

Do you use the 6 or the 715 ?

I am new to handicapping in any detailed manner, so no laughing!

For sprint races, Quirin uses the first quarter call.

In the DRF pps, that would be the first call position to come with a lengths behind designation.

[1ejp]

So in the example I used, I would use 7th place by 15 lengths.

To figure this horses fractional time, I would add the 15 lengths (1/5 sec per length) to the 1st fractional time listed of the horse in lead?

So if the fractional time listed 1st is 22, this horse would be 25?

Thanks for any help!!

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by 1ejp

So in the example I used, I would use 7th place by 15 lengths.

To figure this horses fractional time, I would add the 15 lengths (1/5 sec per length) to the 1st fractional time listed of the horse in lead?

So if the fractional time listed 1st is 22, this horse would be 25?

Thanks for any help!!

Quirin does not deal with fractional times in the creation of his speed points.

He just eyeballs the first quarter positions of the horses...and assigns points in accordance to how close each horse is to the lead.

[Overlay]

Originally Posted by 1ejp

So in the example I used, I would use 7th place by 15 lengths.

To figure this horses fractional time, I would add the 15 lengths (1/5 sec per length) to the 1st fractional time listed of the horse in lead?

So if the fractional time listed 1st is 22, this horse would be 25?

Thanks for any help!!

Right (assuming that you are using a five-lengths-per-second standard). However, as thaskalos said, fractional times are not considered in calculating Quirin speed points. You just use the horse's running position and lengths behind at the first call of the race.

[cj]

You won't find a bigger fan of Quirin, but you also won't find me doing math with an abacus. They QSPs were great, but they are pretty outdated.

[1ejp]

Do the fractional times listed coincide with the positional calls listed?

[Overlay]

Originally Posted by 1ejp

Do the fractional times listed coincide with the positional calls listed?

Here's a link to the BRISnet chart showing fractional timing points and positional points of call at the various race distances for BRIS past performances. (I would assume that the Form would be the same, although I may be mistaken.)

http://brisnet.com/cgi-bin/static.cg...calltimeschart

[Overlay]

Here's a link to the fractional times and points-of-call chart on the DRF website. (There appear to be some slight differences between the BRISNET and DRF charts.):

http://www1.drf.com/misc/pointsofcall.pdf