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10-04-2003, 12:17 PM
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Quirin Speed Points
Just noticed something that may interest youze guys who believe in bias--last 10 days of so at Belmont only two Quirins 7 or 8 have won, one at a mile and one at a mile and a sixteenth. At all other distances, they have failed every time.
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10-04-2003, 12:31 PM
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If you play Hoover, here's a nugget: At 5 furlongs with a Quirin speed points of 1 you won 11 of 12 and if your Quirin Speed Points was 0, then you lost 31 of 34.
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10-04-2003, 04:51 PM
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Nugget #1 just paid off, Chapel Royal, an EP8 hoss, a mild favorite, just finished second to Birdstone, the other weak favorite. Cold exacta here.
Will have to wait for the HOO stuff to see if they fly.
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God either exists or He doesn't. Either I believe in God or I don't. Of the four possibilities, only one is to my disadvantage. To avoid that possibility, I believe in God.~B.Pascal
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10-05-2003, 02:28 AM
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Larry.
Can U please explain the difference between a Quirin speed point of 0 and 11??
Thanx,
fffastt
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10-05-2003, 10:05 AM
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No, I cant explain it, I just use them and sometimes they use me.
Nugget two blew up. (both ways)
Race 7 was won by a "6" a hvy favorite while two 1's finished 3rd and 4th. Two 0's finished 2nd and 5th.
Race 11 was won by a 0, the mild favorite. Another 0 finished last. Two 1's finished 5th and 8th.
Conclusion: when you use small sample sizes you gonna get your head bitten off. If you looked at the stats today, you would find that 5 furlongs at HOO, Quirin Speed points of 0 is 33 for 38 to lose (still awful) and 1's are 11 for 16 to win (still impressive) and we got hammered last night!
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God either exists or He doesn't. Either I believe in God or I don't. Of the four possibilities, only one is to my disadvantage. To avoid that possibility, I believe in God.~B.Pascal
Last edited by Larry Hamilton; 10-05-2003 at 10:08 AM.
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10-05-2003, 10:12 AM
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QSP
I would suggest using QSP in raw form can be mis-leading. A 7 in a race where the next horse has only 4 can be a dynamite advantage, whicle a 7 in a race with two other 7sa and an 8 and a 6 can be the kiss of death, I prefer to use this tool in the form of speed point advantages , that is, what perscentage of the total speed points does each horse posess.
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10-05-2003, 10:39 AM
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Agree with your assessment as a use of QSPs. I continue to look for a BIAS play
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08-13-2012, 08:22 PM
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QUIRIN SPEED POINTS
I am always wondering why William Quirin had a different guideline in assigning Speed Points for a 7 furlongs (1400 meters) distance. I did'nt find any explanation in his book Winning At The Races.
Can anybody here kindly explain why it is so?
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08-13-2012, 08:30 PM
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... because there is less pace pressure at 7f, therefore it is easier to get the lead.
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08-13-2012, 09:06 PM
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QUIRIN SPEED POINTS
Thank you very much Dave for the quick response...GOD BLESS !!!
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08-13-2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEEDHORSE
I am always wondering why William Quirin had a different guideline in assigning Speed Points for a 7 furlongs (1400 meters) distance. I did'nt find any explanation in his book Winning At The Races.
Can anybody here kindly explain why it is so?
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Because it is a long sprint, right between the short sprints/dashes and the routes. He felt that his calculation method worked.
As Dave said, that's the way the pace pressures work out.
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08-14-2012, 12:42 AM
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Wow, this thread is nearly 10 years old...which reminds me...PaceAdvantage.com turned THIRTEEN a few weeks ago... 
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08-14-2012, 08:10 AM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
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Well, a 10 year old thread about QSP being brought up again speaks volumes about their usefulness. They are an integral part of many players' method, especially when you combine them with early speed ability (figures or velocities, etc), and include the field's pace pressure calculation in the method. Very strong stuff!
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08-14-2012, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Wow, this thread is nearly 10 years old...which reminds me...PaceAdvantage.com turned THIRTEEN a few weeks ago... |
Congrats Mike on your vision and sticking with it.
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08-14-2012, 11:01 AM
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Wow, hadn't seem the name Larry Hamilton in a long time!
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