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Old 01-10-2022, 09:01 PM   #1051
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Old 01-11-2022, 06:00 AM   #1052
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Like I said the other day, something had to break soon because Derby points are already being given out. Decisions by owners have to be made now. It's going to get interesting.
Nah. Baffert is blowing smoke.

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Old 01-11-2022, 06:01 AM   #1053
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“Inventing excuses”

Sorry Bob, you signed an agreement with CD.

End of story.

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Old 01-11-2022, 08:31 AM   #1054
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Personally, I think the game would be better without him in it.
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Old 01-11-2022, 09:36 AM   #1055
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These trainers could step in for Baffert in Kentucky Derby:


https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...ucky_Derby_123
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Old 01-11-2022, 09:43 AM   #1056
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Old 01-11-2022, 10:12 AM   #1057
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Its an ironic twist when CDI is considered the good guy for the sport.
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Old 01-11-2022, 10:16 AM   #1058
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Its an ironic twist when CDI is considered the good guy for the sport.

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This is a topical steroid. it can be used by a human being according to my limited research. It is plausible a worker used it, and was sloppy. A lot of people have skin issues. They are all over. Steroids are pervasive. It still does not justify a positive. If you say someone gave it to the horse, well, how, vs deliberately. I am not a science guy but 10 vs 21 is a trace to me.

If you OCCLUDE this medication whne compounded in a CREAM form, it will penetrate into the tissues, subcutaneously, and therefore have access to the bloodstream.
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Baffert is banned from the Derby/CD,yet Assmussen has more violations and hes allowed to run in the Derby.

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Baffert is banned from the Derby/CD,yet Assmussen has more violations and hes allowed to run in the Derby.

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Those sorts of arguments are bad and lead to all cheafers getting away with things. You have to start somewhere.
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Old 01-12-2022, 09:29 AM   #1062
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Baffert is banned from the Derby/CD,yet Assmussen has more violations and hes allowed to run in the Derby.

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Raw numbers are probably not the most indicative - Asmussen starts 7-8 times more horses a year than Baffert. (2427 to 341 in 2021)
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Old 01-12-2022, 07:18 PM   #1063
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Those sorts of arguments are bad and lead to all cheafers getting away with things. You have to start somewhere.
Its not that your statement is wrong its that you actually think the prop that is the Bob Baffert situation signals some kind of change the industry is starting. That its the start of something different.

I guess your line of thinking is proof this charade is working.
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:13 PM   #1064
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Its not that your statement is wrong its that you actually think the prop that is the Bob Baffert situation signals some kind of change the industry is starting. That its the start of something different.

I guess your line of thinking is proof this charade is working.
I don't think any such thing. I think that they caught Baffert, that people who are caught cheating in big races should be severely punished, and arguments about how other people aren't punished may prove the sickness of the industry but are irrelevant to whether Baffert should get punished.
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:28 PM   #1065
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I don't think any such thing. I think that they caught Baffert, that people who are caught cheating in big races should be severely punished, and arguments about how other people aren't punished may prove the sickness of the industry but are irrelevant to whether Baffert should get punished.
Why should being count in big races count more. He's being singled out because he's the best, just like Bonds and Clemens in baseball while other PED users are in the HOF. It shouldn't matter if it's the Derby or a 5k claimer. It is not irrelevant how others are punished. It's very relevant. It should be a standard penalty for all. Since the Derby there have been many trainers with drug offences regarding their horses. None were suspended from Churchill Downs. Therein lies the problem. It lacks credibility when you don't punish equally for the same crime. They will never ban Asmussen or guys like McPeek or Romans. They run too many horses at Churchill. Baffert was an easy target for 2 reasons. He's dominated the Derby lately and doesn't run a string at Churchill Downs.
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