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Old 01-08-2022, 02:00 PM   #1
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Braking through the gate

Aqueduct race 2 the breaks through the gate and is DQ'd.

Tampa Bay race 4 the breaks through the gate and is deemed a non-starter.

The DQ of gate-breakers at NYRA tracks seems to becoming more common. Does anyone know if there is actually a different rule for NYRA racing or just different interpretation by the stewards?
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Old 01-08-2022, 02:15 PM   #2
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Aqueduct race 2 the breaks through the gate and is DQ'd.

Tampa Bay race 4 the breaks through the gate and is deemed a non-starter.

The DQ of gate-breakers at NYRA tracks seems to becoming more common. Does anyone know if there is actually a different rule for NYRA racing or just different interpretation by the stewards?
Don't tell these guys about the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup, where Seattle Slew broke through, was loaded back in, and then ran one of the greatest races in history.
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Old 01-08-2022, 02:25 PM   #3
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Don't tell these guys about the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup, where Seattle Slew broke through, was loaded back in, and then ran one of the greatest races in history.
I'm referring to horses breaking through the gate less than a second before the rest of the field, not horses breaking through before the race and being reloaded.
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I'm referring to horses breaking through the gate less than a second before the rest of the field, not horses breaking through before the race and being reloaded.
Oh, OK. In California that's supposed to be an instant non-starter (although I always wondered what they would do if a horse's stall opens late and then the horse wins anyway).
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Old 01-08-2022, 02:58 PM   #5
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Rules are different in different places. Of course they are, it is horse racing.

DQ-no refunds
Non-starter-refunds

It isn't that easy though. Auto refunds are not ideal either. They screw over bettors that bet against the other horses when they don't run well.

The Pink Lloyd fiasco a few years ago was a perfect example. He broke through, gained no advanated at all, ran like crap, and bettors like me that didn't like him were rewarded with like 4.20 instead of 11+ when he was scratched.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:19 PM   #6
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rules

levels of competence


there has to be a significant effort to clarify and improve
-if you wanted rational judgement
-it's possible the owners just enjoy an element of randomness?


currently we have rules written a certain way, and then we have amateurs attempting their best to carry out the rules according to the way they are written.
They try. It just may not be in tune with anything like being able to watch a race and and have rational insights.


as far as breaking through the gate, the last several have seemed to all be DQ at NYRA.

I assume that is there standard, currently.

there was one that was not DQ'd somewhat recently, but they actually made the error of missing it and/or not acknowledging it, so that wasn't technically a 'non-DQ'.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:25 PM   #7
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I tried to look up the chart for the Tampa race, but couldn't find any horse this week declared a non-starter. In today's fourth race there were two horses that were away awkwardly ( post position 8&9). Neither was declared a non-starter, and the chart caller gave no hint of breaking through the gate.
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Old 01-10-2022, 06:42 AM   #8
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I believe I read this a while back, but at NYRA, if a horse breaks through the gate right before the gates open he will be DQ'd if the stewards decide that the horse caused the issue, if they feel the assistant starter caused the issue they will scratch the horse.

I think most other jurisdictions just scratch the horse.
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