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05-04-2020, 04:09 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
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ValueCapper
Years ago I used Black Magic, and due to life getting in the way I stopped handicapping for awhile.
I no longer have that program, and now his latest is ValueCapper.
Does anyone here use it? What are your thoughts??
I am looking for something to use for daily handicapping. I loved FCR but they are out of business. I've reached out to a few people that use the Yeast program, similar to FCR.
I know its not cheap, and the data is around $100/month..which is in line with a BRIS monthly unlimited.
Appreciate any feedback on the software.
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05-04-2020, 07:06 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2004
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 14,476
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stewball1127
Years ago I used Black Magic, and due to life getting in the way I stopped handicapping for awhile.
I no longer have that program, and now his latest is ValueCapper.
Does anyone here use it? What are your thoughts??
I am looking for something to use for daily handicapping. I loved FCR but they are out of business. I've reached out to a few people that use the Yeast program, similar to FCR.
I know its not cheap, and the data is around $100/month..which is in line with a BRIS monthly unlimited.
Appreciate any feedback on the software.
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What was FCR?
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05-04-2020, 07:40 PM
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DJ M.Walk
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Compton, CA!
Posts: 2,072
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FCR = Full Card Reports!
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05-04-2020, 07:49 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 740
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Speed, I had Valuecapper and I got a refund.If Black Magic didn't work for you VC probably won't either. Some use VC and win, but I did not, for what i's worth.
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05-04-2020, 08:23 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 740
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OOPS. I addressed Speed but should have addressed Stewball...
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05-07-2020, 12:53 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty359
Speed, I had Valuecapper and I got a refund.If Black Magic didn't work for you VC probably won't either. Some use VC and win, but I did not, for what i's worth.
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I didn't say that it didn't work for me. It was a fine piece of software.
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05-09-2020, 12:37 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 740
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Stew, if BM worked for you then no reason why Valuecapper won't. Good luck with it. I might not have given it long enough test.
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05-09-2020, 11:57 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 930
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stewball1127
Years ago I used Black Magic, and due to life getting in the way I stopped handicapping for awhile.
I no longer have that program, and now his latest is ValueCapper.
Does anyone here use it? What are your thoughts??
I am looking for something to use for daily handicapping. I loved FCR but they are out of business. I've reached out to a few people that use the Yeast program, similar to FCR.
I know its not cheap, and the data is around $100/month..which is in line with a BRIS monthly unlimited.
Appreciate any feedback on the software.
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This is a similar program as FCR basically the same reports and information.
http://contenderswins.com/
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05-10-2020, 01:09 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: new york
Posts: 1,631
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i had both programs. i never gained enough understanding of how mr pizzolla was using it so successfully. anyway with so few tracks running anymore it seems a tough nut to crack to pay the expenses and show a significant positive return. ymmv-good luck hope it works for you.
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05-10-2020, 02:24 AM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acorn54
i had both programs. i never gained enough understanding of how mr pizzolla was using it so successfully. anyway with so few tracks running anymore it seems a tough nut to crack to pay the expenses and show a significant positive return. ymmv-good luck hope it works for you.
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Today TB Race 5 and 6 both winners paid 17/1 and both right there using the software.
Any software you use costs money for data, the monthly expense of VC is the same as many others. Most of the software out there costs about the same amount for data as VC, no idea why people get hung up on the cost. BRIS is $125/mo for unlimited, same as VC.
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05-10-2020, 12:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 740
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When you say winners "right there" what do you mean as the prgm has several angles as well as a consensus. Just curious and I may learn somehing...
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05-10-2020, 01:00 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty359
When you say winners "right there" what do you mean as the prgm has several angles as well as a consensus. Just curious and I may learn somehing...
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I don't want to get into specifics about the software on this board. VC users have access to a forum that they all pay for, and I don't want to give out a lot of that information on a public forum. If you have the software and access to that Forum, the race was posted and explained there.
If you don't have the software, I'll say that its a value based software, and the oddsline is a big key. Looking at all of the factors those horses had, the #4 was a pretty clear play based on ranking, positive factors, and the oddsline.
TB6 was a turf race and based on rank, oddsline, and other positive factors was a pretty clear play.
Do you own the software? Just curious if you have seen those races
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05-10-2020, 01:01 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 51
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Originally Posted by SandyW
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Its kinda the same, but FCR was far cleaner and easier to navigate...and the Icons were fantastic if you knew what to look for....which this program doesn't have
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05-10-2020, 01:18 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 740
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I had the software but sent it back. Lost money with it. Had a lot of angles. Guess I tried them all and got cght in the switches.
as well as an oddsline. THat's why I was curious as what got you the winners. There's no big secret as to what's in it. Pizzolla explains a lot of the stuff that's in it on YouTube.
Continued good luck.
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05-10-2020, 03:14 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NEW YORK CITY
Posts: 3,670
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty359
I had the software but sent it back. Lost money with it. Had a lot of angles. Guess I tried them all and got cght in the switches.
as well as an oddsline. THat's why I was curious as what got you the winners. There's no big secret as to what's in it. Pizzolla explains a lot of the stuff that's in it on YouTube.
Continued good luck.
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Thats what I saw in his yearly RANTS....
It creates odds based on the VC calcs and compares it to the ML....
Most software can do that..even Handifast created an odds line & that is free.
It also gives you the good & bad angles of each horse....
Some software does that too...
Like I said....for the price, its way over what I believe
Mike
PS- in the 10 years I've been here , I have never seen a thread on these big commercial software and their capabilities to win in horse racing.
Why do you think that is?
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