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Old 09-06-2017, 09:27 AM   #226
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day 12/13 (th/fr): living with a bankroll on the mend....

ok poker fans we're up early on Thursday morning to pack our bags, checkout of the hotel, and head for the airport.

las vegas has beaten us.

still one more stop on our annual poker vacation though and i'm up early on Friday morning at the turf motel in Charles town.


I've brought little cash and a horrible nagging cough back from vegas and I spend some time tailgating in the racino parking garage with some cheap cough syrup and a monster energy drink. i'm listening to a radio station called true apple country 105.5 and lorrie morgan comes on with I didn't know my own strength:

I've been living with a bankroll on the mend
wondering how will it ever be strong?
I know i'll live to play again
I've just been in vegas too long.....


I take another swig of cough syrup and head into the racino to kickoff the day's gambling with some 3/6 limit action.

I jump out to a $90 lead but losses with AA and KK cut that in half.

several suited aces (that miss everything) later my lead is down to $1 before the blinds take it all away.

I just can't get out of this losing streak no matter what I do and a hand with K7 from late position illustrates my frustrations.

four of us see a flop of Q T 8
and the first two players check to the player on my immediate right who bets.

I raise and EVERYONE CALLS.

of course the board bricks out and the two early players table their hands:

A 8

A 9

the bettor mucks.... he couldn't even beat bottom pair (flop) with an ace kicker and how the other two players call my flop raise??.... I have no idea. it's not like I was using the free card play all game.

moving on in a (very) rare break AT from the big blind outflops AJ to get me back in contention before one final loss with KK seals my fate and I head over to live racing to enjoy my final night of vacation.

thank you for reading.

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Old 09-09-2017, 11:18 AM   #227
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The K7 hand is probably tilt manifesting itself in the form of fancy play. Sorry to say it to a nice guy, but that's what it reads like. Unless you're in the blinds and it's an unraised pot, you want to mostly fold or occasionally steal with it pre. If it's a raised pot you want to fold 95% and 3 bet 5% of the time. Not a lot of good things are likely to come from K7, unless it's you forcing the action both pre and post. Even then it behooves you to know when to give up. My opinion.
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:30 AM   #228
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The K7 hand is probably tilt manifesting itself in the form of fancy play. Sorry to say it to a nice guy, but that's what it reads like. Unless you're in the blinds and it's an unraised pot, you want to mostly fold or occasionally steal with it pre. If it's a raised pot you want to fold 95% and 3 bet 5% of the time. Not a lot of good things are likely to come from K7, unless it's you forcing the action both pre and post. Even then it behooves you to know when to give up. My opinion.
the hand is actually on my late position starting hand chart for these games.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_...starting_hands

the now dead pokerrroom link had the ev's from all positions (it shows K7s being dead even overall) and I used a lot of this data to make my chart for these small stakes mid-atlantic games.


i'm pretty much done with limit poker so maybe i'll post the chart sometime?
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:47 AM   #229
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losing the minimum.....

ok poker fans we're back from vacation and our next action finds us in a humble 1-2 game at Hollywood penn national.

in a recurring theme it takes FOREVER to win a hand in this one, but QUEEN HIGH finally drags a small pot and we're on the board!!

with AK I raise a couple limpers to $11 and one of them hangs around to see a flop of:

A T 3.

the villain checks and (although i'm primarily a bettor) I actually check back here before betting another $11 on the turn.

the villain calls my $11 and leads out $22 on the river.

something doesn't feel right here and I just call.

villain: 33.

big ace. flop ace. lose.

this just happens again, and again, and again, and again, and again........

"nice check back on the turn..... you lost the minimum," one kid at the table says.

i'm getting a lot of experience at that.

too much.

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Old 09-17-2017, 11:29 PM   #230
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ok poker fans we're back from vacation and our next action finds us in a humble 1-2 game at Hollywood penn national.

in a recurring theme it takes FOREVER to win a hand in this one, but QUEEN HIGH finally drags a small pot and we're on the board!!

with AK I raise a couple limpers to $11 and one of them hangs around to see a flop of:

A T 3.

the villain checks and (although i'm primarily a bettor) I actually check back here before betting another $11 on the turn.

the villain calls my $11 and leads out $22 on the river.

something doesn't feel right here and I just call.

villain: 33.

big ace. flop ace. lose.

this just happens again, and again, and again, and again, and again........

"nice check back on the turn..... you lost the minimum," one kid at the table says.

i'm getting a lot of experience at that.

too much.

thank you for reading.

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One of my weaknesses that I hope I have done a much better job of correcting recently is to not overvalue TPTK or TPGK (with Aces being the pair). Players at 1/2 and 1/3 are typically straight foward and as a whole don't bluff enough at the proper frequency, particularly on the river. For the villain to lead out on the river with a $22 bet meant they had at a minimum of two pair (with an above average chance that Aces are one of those two pair) rather than trying to bluff or get to a cheap showdown. The big red flag here was the villain's turn call, which was then confirmed by the river bet despite being out of position). As difficult as it is to do (especially when one is getting very few if any playable hands), IMHO it is +EV to fold against this river bet unless you had at least another pair to go along with your Aces.

The villain of course did get lucky despite going set mining in a heads up situation, which IMO has to be significantly -EV given the bet size. If they consistently do this, they are great to have at your table.
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One of my weaknesses that I hope I have done a much better job of correcting recently is to not overvalue TPTK or TPGK (with Aces being the pair). Players at 1/2 and 1/3 are typically straight foward and as a whole don't bluff enough at the proper frequency, particularly on the river. For the villain to lead out on the river with a $22 bet meant they had at a minimum of two pair (with an above average chance that Aces are one of those two pair) rather than trying to bluff or get to a cheap showdown. The big red flag here was the villain's turn call, which was then confirmed by the river bet despite being out of position). As difficult as it is to do (especially when one is getting very few if any playable hands), IMHO it is +EV to fold against this river bet unless you had at least another pair to go along with your Aces.

The villain of course did get lucky despite going set mining in a heads up situation, which IMO has to be significantly -EV given the bet size. If they consistently do this, they are great to have at your table.
you don't think i'm at least 25% there? especially since i never made an aggressive move towards the pot?

we were almost 200 deep too so i don't fault the villain for calling $9 at all.
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you don't think i'm at least 25% there? especially since i never made an aggressive move towards the pot?

we were almost 200 deep too so i don't fault the villain for calling $9 at all.
When the villain calls your turn bet, the question that you need to ask yourself is what could he/she possibly have here. In 3-6 limit game the answer is that it could be crazy stuff. In 1/2 NL as I stated before, players have to play more straightforward because the mistakes are magnitudes higher and bankrolls can quickly disappear from bad play. With pocket pairs that do not match the board they are folding. The probabilities are high they have Ax, with lesser possibilities of 2-pair aces over, or 2 broadway cards with a gut-shot straight draw, or trips.

I am assuming the board run-out eliminates the straight possibility. A lead-out bet out of position runs the risk of being raised, so it eliminates some of the weaker holdings the villain might have. If the villain were bluffing, the lead-out bet is WAY too small to get folds. So the smallish bet was made either as a value bet hoping to get called, or for pot control to get to showdown with a reasonably decent hand where the villain still believed they had an excellent chance of winning. IF I had aces over I could see calling here, but not with less.

If I did my math correctly, it appears the villain barely made the required payoff vs. risk when choosing to set mine heads up, not exactly a recipe for success long-term.

Did you have 25% equity to call the river? Someone who has one of those calculators could tell you once you make an assumption of the villain's range.
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