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Old 11-18-2020, 03:00 AM   #1
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starting in 2030 Great Britain

will ban all cars powered by fuels. they might still allow Hybrid cars.

https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idUSKBN27U0DG


the same thing probably going to happen here as well at some point. (i doubt this though). maybe 2040 here sounds better to me.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:11 AM   #2
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I see many vehicles driving around that are over 20 years old



something you missed is the sale of NEW vehicles
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Old 11-18-2020, 07:15 AM   #3
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no way they get it done.

They will not even be close to having the infrastructure to charge an all electric car country. And they would have to build a gazillion power plants.

Same problem as the U.S. but in the U.S. it's a pipe dream too
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:45 AM   #4
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will ban all cars powered by fuels. they might still allow Hybrid cars.

https://www.reuters.com/article/brit...-idUSKBN27U0DG


the same thing probably going to happen here as well at some point. (i doubt this though). maybe 2040 here sounds better to me.
Never happen...its just a dream. Oil and gas turns the world. The energy industry can't be overhauled...almost like breathing air is for humans.
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:14 PM   #5
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The goal of the electric car is to eliminate the pollutants that the gasoline car produces. The problem is where does the electricity come from? If it comes from coal fueled power plants then you have simply replaced millions of small polluting engines with hundreds of huge polluting engines. You have simply replaced petroleum with coal.

Now the argument could be made that the larger engines in power plants would be more efficient. Is this true? I don't know.

Then there's the nuclear solution. Are there enough nuclear power plants to satisfy the increased demand? Probably not. How many more would have to be built? And there are more Chernobyl incidents coming. Not a question of "if" but a question of "when and where?"

I have heard one proposal from an academic. Replace the gasoline cars with hydrogen fueled cars. Then build huge solar plants in Nevada, use the power to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen. Release the oxygen back into the atmosphere and send the hydrogen to the rest of the country in existing pipelines. The guy claimed that 100 square miles of solar panels would be enough.

Of course there are problems with this approach. Number one, in my opinion, is that handling compressed gases is not easy. As a kid I had to operate my daddy's tractor which ran on propane. Refueling the tractor was a major operation.

And of course you'd have to replace gasoline stations with gaseous stations.
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:19 PM   #6
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don't forget the windmill solution - except for all the dead birds

don't forget the hydroelectric solution - except for all the dead fish

don't forget the geothermal solution - except for all the earthquakes


and then getting the stuff for those batteries ...



but the 'not in my backyard' group of leaders do not seem to mind if it is somewhere else
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Old 11-19-2020, 10:55 AM   #7
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Absolutely we should work toward renewables becoming the major source of generating electricity. The best energy sources are hydroelectric, wind and solar, which together comprise only 15% of the U.S. electricity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph.../power-plants/

.... right now, coal, unnatural gas and nuclear are generating 83% of it. Anyone using an all-electric vehicle now is just supporting the polluters. At this point, and for the foreseeable future, hybrid vehicles are the best option for the environment. (Saudi oil is the purest oil, which needs the least amount of processing to convert to gasoline. )
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:06 AM   #8
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The best energy sources are hydroelectric, wind and solar, which together comprise only 15% of the U.S. electricity.
One of the problems I have with renewables is that it requires a vast amount of fossil fuels to produce and maintain them. Then there is the sporadic nature of renewables. Cloudy days and dark at night. Windless days. Drought. Not to mention storage technology still not up to speed.

Most of the discussion about the above is all happy talk. The reality is that we are decades away from viable alternative to fossils.
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One of the problems I have with renewables is that it requires a vast amount of fossil fuels to produce and maintain them. Then there is the sporadic nature of renewables. Cloudy days and dark at night. Windless days. Drought. Not to mention storage technology still not up to speed.

Most of the discussion about the above is all happy talk. The reality is that we are decades away from viable alternative to fossils.
don't forget about the electric cars with batteries blowing up
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Why all the hostility against electric vehicles?

Does everyone own stock in Exxon?
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All those dirty tactics the Nazis used and lost the war anyway.
Has a familiar ring to it.
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All those dirty tactics the Nazis used and lost the war anyway.
Has a familiar ring to it.
Irony is lost on you.
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