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09-03-2012, 04:45 AM
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Labor unions made it possible
Corporations may be people, but Unions not corporations were responsible for all these things we take for granted this Labor Day.
Weekends without work
All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
Paid vacation
Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Sick leave
Social Security
Minimum wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
8-hour work day
Overtime pay
Child labor laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40-hour work week
Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
Unemployment insurance
Pensions
Workplace safety standards and regulations
Employer health care insurance
Collective bargaining rights for employees
Wrongful termination laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
Whistleblower protection laws
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
Sexual harassment laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday pay
Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
Privacy rights
Pregnancy and parental leave
Military leave
The right to strike
Public education for children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
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09-03-2012, 04:57 AM
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It seems as though you listed all of the reasons that we don't have jobs in this country--they have all gone overseas.
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09-03-2012, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ntheiroff
It seems as though you listed all of the reasons that we don't have jobs in this country--they have all gone overseas.
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Yeah it sure sucks not exploiting 12 year old children and having to clean up after some stupid worker looses his arm in our glorious meatpacking sweatshops'' wonderful labor saving pig shredder.
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09-03-2012, 08:24 AM
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Most (if not all) of the reasons that you cited for being a member of a labor union were obsolete 50-60 years ago.
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09-03-2012, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ntheiroff
Most (if not all) of the reasons that you cited for being a member of a labor union were obsolete 50-60 years ago.
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Yes, Ol' Hcap loves hopping into the Delorean, firing up the Flux Capacitor and taking us back to the Fifties.
The reality is that increases in pay and conditions came as a result of increases in productivity. Leftists always cite the poor working conditions of yesteryear without providing any context.
The reason you had children working in factories back then is that the other option was to starve to death in the country. You see this today in poorer countries where there is a black market that takes payoffs to get people jobs with those evil multinational corporations.
Why do people in poor countries agree to pay to get a job with a multinational? Because they pay, on average, twice the local prevailing wage.
Today, in this country, child labor laws only serve to deny entry into the workforce to the people who need it the most: those poor people Hcap and his ilk supposedley care so much about.
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09-03-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ntheiroff
Most (if not all) of the reasons that you cited for being a member of a labor union were obsolete 50-60 years ago.
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Assuming you are an employee and not an employer, which ones would you be willing to do without?
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09-03-2012, 10:48 AM
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Today Unions bankrupt cities, states and companies with impunity.
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09-03-2012, 11:00 AM
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So hcap, you must be all in favor of no gun laws, because the thing over all other that made the USA possible was the gun and the ability to use it.
Can I put you down as favoring unlimited carrying and concealing side arms?
You know what else union made possible?
Labor laws, which effectively negate the need for unions. After all, labor laws benefit ALL, while union only benefit a select few.
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09-03-2012, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Actor
Assuming you are an employee and not an employer, which ones would you be willing to do without?
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No one wants to work in sh!tty conditions, but, the greatest protection an employee has from a bad boss is the option to go somewhere else.
Creating endless hurdles for employers in order to hire and fire someone only limits employee options.
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09-03-2012, 12:45 PM
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Ok, from now on PA off topic will celebrate Corporate Day. And will in honor of the specialness of big money go to work 16 hours, forgo lunch and bathroom breaks, bring their wives and young children to work besides them and be sure to purchase commodities from the on site company stare.
Yes, most of the most important reforms were accomplished by unions at the beginning of the workers rights era because the most egregious abuses were rampant then. The fabric of American society changed after that and business realized they could only get away with so much before they came across as labor abusers and lowlifes.
Besides look at it this way guys, capitalism is the enlightened market place. Workers trading their services intelligently and in a unified manner is another example of Capitalism and Adam's Smith Invisible Hand setting prices based on the true costs of goods and services. Not slave labor prices.
Last edited by hcap; 09-03-2012 at 12:48 PM.
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09-03-2012, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
So hcap, you must be all in favor of no gun laws, because the thing over all other that made the USA possible was the gun and the ability to use it.
Can I put you down as favoring unlimited carrying and concealing side arms?
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If ever there was a post that was off topic, this is it. What was there in the OP that was about gun laws?
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Originally Posted by Tom
You know what else union made possible?
Labor laws, which effectively negate the need for unions.
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Circular reasoning. Unions made labor laws possible, ergo, unions are no longer needed. But if we have no unions why not repeal the labor laws?
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Originally Posted by Tom
After all, labor laws benefit ALL, while union only benefit a select few.
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Where is it written that everything has to benefit ALL. What's wrong with benefiting only a few? Lots of things benefit only a few. Corporations benefit only their stockholders. Want a system where everything benefits everybody? Try Marx!
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09-03-2012, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Corporations may be people, but Unions not corporations were responsible for all these things we take for granted this Labor Day.
Weekends without work
All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
Paid vacation
Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Sick leave
Social Security
Minimum wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
8-hour work day
Overtime pay
Child labor laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40-hour work week
Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
Unemployment insurance
Pensions
Workplace safety standards and regulations
Employer health care insurance
Collective bargaining rights for employees
Wrongful termination laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
Whistleblower protection laws
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
Sexual harassment laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday pay
Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
Privacy rights
Pregnancy and parental leave
Military leave
The right to strike
Public education for children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
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An excellent post which gave rise to some of the stupidest responses in the history of this forum.
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09-03-2012, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by badcompany
No one wants to work in sh!tty conditions, but, the greatest protection an employee has from a bad boss is the option to go somewhere else.
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Do you really believe that in the days before unions that employees had the option to go somewhere else? I mean somewhere else that was different?
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Originally Posted by badcompany
Creating endless hurdles for employers in order to hire and fire someone only limits employee options.
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What endless hurdles? Employers can fire someone for cause. They can downsize. They are simply being held to certain standards of fairness. If they find that inconvenient, tough.
Meanwhile, no one has responded to my question.
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09-03-2012, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ntheiroff
Most (if not all) of the reasons that you cited for being a member of a labor union were obsolete 50-60 years ago.
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Those rights were won by labor unions; they are protected by labor unions and they are now being lost because we no longer have strong labor unions.
Every one of those rights can be lost if we don't have the strength to keep them.
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