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08-22-2009, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hanover1
there are either none or there are some-you cant have it both ways-lets count now-by your numbers=thats 1 a month, not to mention getting one written for you at any time by race secretary when situation is right. So since there is not one literally every week at your track-you assume that someone must be mistaken, and she cannot get a race at 10f.......shes had her chances, and will again-just enjoy the show and dont make it your life-you will go broke.
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??? In the context of your statement that "they run routs at 10f every week-G1/G2/G3 all over the country, your response makes no sense at all, at least to me. Once a month on average is not a G1/G2/G3 every week all over the country. Besides, what's so magical about a 10f dirt race? This year's 10f dirt/AWS winners so far (Dry Martini, Einstein, Funny Moon, Marchfield, Mine That Bird, Rail Trip, Swift Temper) aren't exactly breaking down the doors of the Racing HoF.
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08-22-2009, 06:31 PM
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there really wasn't an appropriate race for rachel to run at 1 1/4 miles since she was purchased by jackson. the 1 1/4 mile races that have been run were for older horses. its not really appropriate to run a 3 year old filly or colt against older horses until the fall. thats why after september; grade 1 3 year old only stakes aren't available. before california started running the strub series there wasn't any available. the travers was always the last chance for the 3 year olds to sort themselves out before running against older horses. in addition maiden and allowances restricted to 3 year olds aren't available for the most part past september also. usually august is there graduation date to run with their elders.
Last edited by bisket; 08-22-2009 at 06:33 PM.
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08-22-2009, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bisket
there really wasn't an appropriate race for rachel to run at 1 1/4 miles since she was purchased by jackson. the 1 1/4 mile races that have been run were for older horses. its not really appropriate to run a 3 year old filly or colt against older horses until the fall. thats why after september; grade 1 3 year old only stakes aren't available. before california started running the strub series there wasn't any available. the travers was always the last chance for the 3 year olds to sort themselves out before running against older horses. in addition maiden and allowances restricted to 3 year olds aren't available for the most part past september also. usually august is there graduation date to run with their elders.
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So, did you see the Alabama today. It was a really good race. I thought Careless Jewel did a fine job winning a Grade 1 for 3 yr old fillies at 1 1/4 miles. Don't Forget Gil and Funny Moon both disappointed. After finishing 2nd and 1st respectively in the G1 CCA Oaks at 1 1/4 miles just last month. The Canadian invader Milwaukee Appeal tried her best, but nobody racing with her was touching Careless Jewel at 1 1/4 miles today.
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08-22-2009, 11:14 PM
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she doesn't have anything to prove against that crowd. its the ensign at 1 1/4 mile or travers. she needs to run against older fillies and mares or the colts at 1 1/4 miles to improve her resume.
Last edited by bisket; 08-22-2009 at 11:17 PM.
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08-23-2009, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bisket
its not really appropriate to run a 3 year old filly or colt against older horses until the fall.
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This year's older male horses are quite possibly the weakest group that I've ever seen. At 9f, in the Woodward, I can't see why she wouldn't beat them. She's clearly faster.
There's more money in the Travers, though, and of course most people really don't care about older horse races anyway. It's all about the 3YO's now. A match-up against Quality Road is what the public wants, and at least he's a real runner, although I'm not sure that he's truly ready yet for 10f. We'll see if the filly's connections go for it.
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08-23-2009, 01:25 AM
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older horses in both the ladies and mens are both weak. except for zen. i'm just saying you can't really critisize jackson for the races he's picked. i think they've done a good job picking rachel's spots. if they choose the travers it'll actually be gambling if you place a bet on her. if they choose to go in the ensign i don't think thats really a poor choice because rachel has to beat the older mares that will most likely race against zen in the cup. its nice to race and beat the colts, but to get hoy she has to first establish dominance in her division. she's yet to race and defeat older mares to show she's just as dominant in this division as zen. imop she's realisitically has 2 more races for her this year. one should against older mares.
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08-23-2009, 02:47 AM
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I don't think he is worried about any thing here. Stuff from across the pond, now thats a different story. Just my opinion.
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08-23-2009, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hanover1
Its called "winners over" conditions-YOU said Graded stake, I did not. Just like writing a match race-are they graded??-no........
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You're the person who claimed they run Grade I, II, III races at a mile and a quarter every week. It was than pointed out that it does not happen, so than you insist that a race can be written to fit the criteria. It was than pointed out that it can't be graded. Now you are trying to point out that it is just a mile and a quarter, which invalidates you original claim of Grade I, II, III races.
If you can't comprehend your own statements, how the heck is anyone else supposed to?
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