Keeneland daily track variant

[gm10]

I'll be frank I'm struggling coming up with a reliable DTV for this track.
It seems that when they go quick over certain distances (7F in particular), that the final times are very slow. YEsterday for example Hattan Cross went a very slow last 3F but the first 4F had been very quick. I suppose my DTV is built around the assumption that if they go too quick early, they will pay for it a bit later in the race, but always to the same extent regardless of track/surface. But the way they slow down at KEE is extreme.

Any views on this?

[Light]

I think Kee is one of those tracks that has an "about 7f " distance. I dont know if the "about" means shorter,longer or whatever the grounds crew feels like,but I would imagine that may have something to do with inconsistent times at that distance.

[Cangamble]

Originally Posted by Light

I think Kee is one of those tracks that has an "about 7f " distance. I dont know if the "about" means shorter,longer or whatever the grounds crew feels like,but I would imagine that may have something to do with inconsistent times at that distance.

I have it rated at around 14 lengths slower than 7 furlong races. I just started doing Keeneland TV's recently, so I might be off by one or two points.

[gm10]

Originally Posted by Cangamble

I have it rated at around 14 lengths slower than 7 furlong races. I just started doing Keeneland TV's recently, so I might be off by one or two points.

but surely they always start the race at the same point?
i mean that the late sectionals are very dependent on the early ones, and not necassrily to the same degree every day

[Light]

Looks like they have two 7f distances. One is "about" 7f and the other is 7f. You can see that from the title of the races at 7f. The "about" 7f distance is 184 feet longer.So gate placement is different and turn times happen at a different arc of the turn in relation to fractional times. I'd say you'd have to make 2 different pars. One for the "about" and one for the regular 7f distances.

[sjk]

You can look at the overnights to see which distance the races will be run at.

[podonne]

I've seen these in my pps. Why do they use "about" distances?

I have to discard the "about" part when i read them into my database (they come in as negative distances). Why not just list the actual distance?

[ntheiroff]

The "about" 7 furlongs is "The Beard Course" at Keeneland. It is 7 furlongs + either 161' or 171' (I forget which)

[ntheiroff]

After further review it is actually 7 furlongs plus 184 feet

[gm10]

Originally Posted by Light

Looks like they have two 7f distances. One is "about" 7f and the other is 7f. You can see that from the title of the races at 7f. The "about" 7f distance is 184 feet longer.So gate placement is different and turn times happen at a different arc of the turn in relation to fractional times. I'd say you'd have to make 2 different pars. One for the "about" and one for the regular 7f distances.

Really? Two different 7F distances?? Both on the polytrack? Do you have an example of each? I am amazed but it would explain certain numerical discrepancies that I have noticed.

[The Hawk]

This isn't new, they've had about 7f and exactly 7f races for many years.

[gm10]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

This isn't new, they've had about 7f and exactly 7f races for many years.

But how you can tell which one they're running on? I use Trackmaster.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by gm10

Really? Two different 7F distances?? Both on the polytrack? Do you have an example of each? I am amazed but it would explain certain numerical discrepancies that I have noticed.

I can’t speak for Trackmasters symbols, but check this date. Race-9 better have a notation, or may I suggest…sacking Trackmaster. (With all due respect)

Trk	Date		Race	Dist	About
   KEE	10/8/2008	1	7	
   KEE	10/8/2008	3	7	
   KEE	10/8/2008	8	7	
   KEE	10/8/2008	9	7	Y

[Tom]

Originally Posted by ntheiroff

After further review it is actually 7 furlongs plus 184 feet

So the question now is the half mile....is is 4 furlongs or 4 furlongs + 184 feet?
IF it is the linger distance, that would explain some rally weird pace times I have seen over the years.

And the real question is, they only run two friggin weeks, why do they need two 7 furlong distances? They aren't going to wear out the gate spot in two weeks? Makes no sense to me to do this, unless they just want to piss of handicappers.

My solution to this is I never, ever, use any pace of speed ratings from Kee.
I look at all KEE races as workouts and don't bother with them. All KEE pacelines are automatic excuses for me. "Move along, nothing here to see, move along."

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Tom

So the question now is the half mile....is is 4 furlongs or 4 furlongs + 184 feet?

It should be handled just like any other "about" distance (you mostly see this on turf when the rail is out).

I believe the Beard course is a tradition thing.