Triple Crown Winner, Jean Cruguet To Ride

[joanied]

Originally Posted by jotb

Yeah when Cordero rode the colt who was the trainer? For someone coming from the backside I really think you had this wrong..You can argue with me until you are blue in the face..Doesn't matter for me...You know how it works on the backside...If Maple did have another obligation then shame on him and kudos for Cruguet...Right place and right time..Just about every other rider back in the day would have fit Slew..The only reason you can't see why Cruguet got the mount was because (and you said it) "you never were a fan of his"..

Argue about what!?! So what if Slew had a different trainer...all I was saying is that another rider was up on the colt...
why on earth are you fighting about this...so Maple didn't take the mount, nor did anyone else, Cruguet was in the right place at the right time...who the hell knows what other top jocks at that time might have wanted to get on him but for one reason or another couldn't.
You speak of loyalty...where was the loyalty when they fired Turner...he was spot on about that colt and rather than hear the truth, they fire him...so if you want to spread shame, then shame on the Taylor's.

You do have one thing right, though...I was never a fan of Cruguet and that, among other things, is why I never could understand why they rode him...was it because he was lucky enough to get the mount and Turner stayed loyal to him...there ya go, more on the loyalty thing.

You got a burr under your saddle, man...there is nothing to argue about here...just different opinions.

[jotb]

Originally Posted by joanied

Argue about what!?! So what if Slew had a different trainer...all I was saying is that another rider was up on the colt...
why on earth are you fighting about this...so Maple didn't take the mount, nor did anyone else, Cruguet was in the right place at the right time...who the hell knows what other top jocks at that time might have wanted to get on him but for one reason or another couldn't.
You speak of loyalty...where was the loyalty when they fired Turner...he was spot on about that colt and rather than hear the truth, they fire him...so if you want to spread shame, then shame on the Taylor's.

You do have one thing right, though...I was never a fan of Cruguet and that, among other things, is why I never could understand why they rode him...was it because he was lucky enough to get the mount and Turner stayed loyal to him...there ya go, more on the loyalty thing.

You got a burr under your saddle, man...there is nothing to argue about here...just different opinions.

It looks like I pushed your button..No big deal..The truth is the truth...You got yourself caught in a catch 22...I'm not fighting with you at all...But one thing is for sure..Don't come on this forum and think you know everything pertaining to the topic at hand..You are off key here..I know that for sure..If you think about it you agreed with everything I justr said..It might be best for you to put your head between your legs..The truth is the truth!!!

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by jotb

No, you had her in for 45k..Maybe you might want to check the results for that race...Regardless she didn't win the race..She won in a MSW.How did you play a role in her becoming elgible for the race on the 27th of April? How is she elgible for the race on the the 27th according to the book?

i am telling you she was in for the $40k, my mind hasn't gone that bad yet! i don't have the chart, but take a look at the weight. i am not sure if the race was a straight $40k or a $50k down to $40k. no matter what, i just hope the horse makes a good account of herself in that starter. we sold the horse, but we always hope for the best after we had them in our hands.

ps there is no way the horse will make it past the computer at the racing office in kentucky if you are right. if you are right i promise to buy you dinner at capital grill someday

[jotb]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i am telling you she was in for the $40k, my mind hasn't gone that bad yet! i don't have the chart, but take a look at the weight. i am not sure if the race was a straight $40k or a $50k down to $40k. no matter what, i just hope the horse makes a good account of herself in that starter. we sold the horse, but we always hope for the best after we had them in our hands.

ps there is no way the horse will make it past the computer at the racing office in kentucky if you are right. if you are right i promise to buy you dinner at capital grill someday

The race was 50k down to 40K She was in at 119 that day..Top weight was 120..The bottom weight for the race was 118..According to Equibase she was in at 119 at 45K..The chart is free to look at..

Regardless, I can't see how she's eligible for this upcoming race..I guess we will wait and see..

[Pine Tree Lane]

Originally Posted by jotb

Are you telling me all the other jocks and agents on the circuit at the time were not interested in retaining the mount on Slew..Does this really come down to two jocks??..Maple and Cruguet..I guess all the others were not hustling the mount..They were all blind..

No, I'm telling you what I've heard, what has been passed down is that at the time Turner was using Maple prior to Seattle Slew's first start. There was no retention at the time because the horse hadn't run yet. You meant to say obtain.

I don't know what other riders were doing at the time. All I am doing is passing on what has become the story/legend/lore in how a rider like Cruguet could get the mount. You are trying to interpret or read into something that is 35 years old.

For a bit of useful information, Maple was the regular rider of For the Moment, the leading two year old at the time prior to Slew's first start. He had also ridden most of Leroy Jolley's big horses that summer (Foolish Pleasure and Optimistic Gal).

But you probably knew that.

[eastie]

Originally Posted by jotb

It looks like I pushed your button..No big deal..The truth is the truth...You got yourself caught in a catch 22...I'm not fighting with you at all...But one thing is for sure..Don't come on this forum and think you know everything pertaining to the topic at hand..You are off key here..I know that for sure..If you think about it you agreed with everything I justr said..It might be best for you to put your head between your legs..The truth is the truth!!!

since the truth is the truth....how about this for a little truth. Jean Cruguet was a terrible jockey who was lucky he didn't fall off a hoss as fast as Slew. How they could trust a hoss like that in his hands was a great mystery then, as well as now. he sucked....get it now ?

[jotb]

Originally Posted by eastie

since the truth is the truth....how about this for a little truth. Jean Cruguet was a terrible jockey who was lucky he didn't fall off a hoss as fast as Slew. How they could trust a hoss like that in his hands was a great mystery then, as well as now. he sucked....get it now ?

This coming from a guy that believes jockeys can't read or write..

[eastie]

i assure you the word pinhead was associated with jockeys long before i was around. They don't get many right watching Jeopardy in the jocks room.

[nijinski]

In all the years I followed Slew from his early racing days through his illnesses
his rebounds and retirements and the ownership secrets I don't ever recall Maple's name coming up. Is there an existing article link that mentions this ?
Eddie I believe was riding For The Moment for Leroy Jolly early on in the that horses career I believe .

I can't say Cruguet did anything wrong by Seattle Slew during the time he had the mounts . It seems he did everything Turner asked of him and I think
their combined work together was a crucial part of Slew's success. Turner cranked the horse up but often asked Cruguet to get him to relax and together they were fine.
It was his temperament and his lack of filtering his remarks to the press that got him in trouble .

[Bruddah]

Originally Posted by cj

Come on, a 72 year old jockey that hasn't ridden in forever is certainly another negative.

What you say is true Cj. However, I say good on him. Heck, at his age and can still make the weight. They would lock me up for animal cruelty.

I wish all concerned the safest of trips and may his reason for honoring his wife be respected. (JMHO)

[Shelby]

http://www.drf.com/news/keeneland-cr...eback-put-hold

[cj]

Originally Posted by Shelby

http://www.drf.com/news/keeneland-cr...eback-put-hold

I think this is a wise decision.

[joanied]

Originally Posted by jotb

It looks like I pushed your button..No big deal..The truth is the truth...You got yourself caught in a catch 22...I'm not fighting with you at all...But one thing is for sure..Don't come on this forum and think you know everything pertaining to the topic at hand..You are off key here..I know that for sure..If you think about it you agreed with everything I justr said..It might be best for you to put your head between your legs..The truth is the truth!!!

You didn't push any buttons...I have my opinion on Cruguet and you have yours...maybe you're the one who think he knows everything on this subject...don't tell me whether or not I can come here and voice my opinion on any subject...who in hell are you!!
The bolded part shows just how much class you have...none!

[Shelby]

Originally Posted by cj

I think this is a wise decision.

I do, too.

I think it's odd that the trainer just now realized it wasn't a good idea, though........

[toussaud]

was kinda looking forward to it