Hillary Clinton

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

"Right again, Governor"
-Harvey Korman, as he plays paddleball with the greatest of ease...

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...316-story.html

Roszka is part of what you might call Clinton’s coalition of the unwilling. They are the independent and moderate Republican women who don’t like Clinton – some even despise her – but are so repulsed by Trump that they are already preparing to vote for the Democrat they anticipate will be on the ballot in November if that’s what it takes to keep him out of office. Either that, or sit out the election altogether.

This loose coalition is large and growing.

More Republican women view Trump more negatively than positively, according to Gallup. And in a hypothetical matchup with Clinton, a Washington Post/ABC News poll found this month that Trump loses the women’s vote by 21 points

"These things are defective"
"I didn't get a harumph out of you"

Good catch, Trump does have a bit of Governor Le Petomaine in him.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Hillary Clinton last night

"Now is Libya perfect ? No it isn't.
Libya was a different kind of calculation and we didn't lose a single person...
We didn't have a problem supporting our European and Arab allies in working with NATO."

Sept. 11 2012 terror attack didn't happen Chris Stevens, Sean Smith,
Tyrone Woods, Glen Doherty and their families would surely beg to differ.

Please do not vote for H.

Excellent job of cherry picking one line from a much longer quote to prove something that just isn't so.
Here is the question and the full answer.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Don't you support knocking off Assad, Bashar Assad?

HILLARY CLINTON: I think given the bloodshed he has spilled, that would be a good outcome, but Americans aren't going to do it. That's not us doing it. In Libya, you had a dictator who had American blood on his hands. Remember, Reagan tried to knock him off, as you recall, because you were working in the Congress -- missed, when he tried. When he said that he was going to track down his people and murder them, the Europeans and the Arabs came to us and said, "You've got to help us."

Because what they feared is what we see in Syria. What they feared was an out-of-control civil war on their shores. Right across the Mediterranean. Right next to Egypt. Right next to the rest of the Middle East. Remember, we had those countries helping us in Afghanistan, in our very big coalition. Now, when somebody that has helped you -- their people have died, they have expended their treasure to help us -- come and say, "This is personal to us, we in Europe, we in the Middle East," is the United States supposed to say, "you know what, that's not our problem?" And they can say to us, "yeah, Afghanistan wasn't our problem either." But that's not the way you work with allies and the way you build coalitions. So what did we do there? We provided our unique abilities and they ran most of the air missions. They were really very much involved in helping to cordon off Libya, and in eventually defeating Gadhafi and his forces.

Now, is Libya perfect? It isn't. But did they have two elections that were free and fair where they voted for moderates? Yes, they did. So, changing from a dictator who has hollowed out your country to something resembling a functioning state, and even hopefully more of a democratic one, doesn't happen overnight. And we've got to continue to support the Libyan people -- to give them a chance -- because otherwise, you see what's happened in Syria, with the consequences of millions of people flooding out of Syria with more than 250,000 people killed, with terrorist groups like ISIS taking up a huge swath of territory, as big as some of the states in that area. So yes, Libya was a different kind of calculation. And we didn't lose a single person. We didn't have a problem in supporting our European and Arab allies in working with NATO. And now we've got to support the Libyan people.

It is completely obvious that Clinton was answering a question about removing a dictator (Assad) and responded by talking about another dictator (Ghadaffi) She is correct. We did not lose a single American in the process of removing Ghaddafi from power. The attack at Bengahzi occured 14 months after Ghaddafi was deposed and 11 months after he was killed.

That had nothing to do with the question that was asked.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And since he's already seen as a sexist and a misogynist (and this hasn't apparently hurt him with Republican women voters), he can't get into too much new trouble for it either...brilliant!

Do you think that Trump can win the election with only Republican votes? Not even all Republicans will vote for him. Right now he is getting around thirty % support from women. If he resorts to personal attacks even that will drop.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i feel bad for Hillary, her husband and she is about to meet their match with Carl Icahn and Trump. they have no idea what they are about to face the next 7 months. by the time this is over she might have a nervous breakdown from the relentless attacks she will get from those guys.

Better men than Donald Trump have attacked Hillary Clinton and so far she is still standing.
I know they were better men because any man is a better man than Trump-as are most women.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Better men than Donald Trump have attacked Hillary Clinton and so far she is still standing.
I know they were better men because any man is a better man than Trump-as are most women.

like most people, i really don't think you know anything about Trump. he is a very compassionate person. but don't mistake kindness for weakness, he is sharp as a tack and we will all be very fortunate if he wins the election and straightens this mess out.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

like most people, i really don't think you know anything about Trump. he is a very compassionate person. but don't mistake kindness for weakness, he is sharp as a tack and we will all be very fortunate if he wins the election and straightens this mess out.

It has been proven throughout history that one individual can indeed transform a country.And those people are called dictators.
If you're counting on a politician to come to the rescue, well Godspeed to you, but I'm not.gonna hold my breath expecting HIllary Clinton, Donald Trump or James Knox Polk to make everything right.

[delayjf]

If he resorts to personal attacks even that will drop.

Pointing our her total failure as a SOS is not a personal attack, especially now that the agreement with Iran is falling apart.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Do you think that Trump can win the election with only Republican votes? Not even all Republicans will vote for him. Right now he is getting around thirty % support from women. If he resorts to personal attacks even that will drop.

That's odd. A Reuters article today claims 50% of US women view Trump as "very unfavorable."

But among Republican women, he enjoys a 60% favorability rating and that has held steady over the past three months.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0WJ155

Sure he has his work cut out for him, but there's plenty of time for him to improve his image.

[Rookies]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Sure he has his work cut out for him, but there's plenty of time for him to improve his image.

Of course, before he gets to the Women... the Latinos... the Blacks... he's going to have to start with the Republicans!

He's at 38%. When does he get a majority of them, given his unfavourable ratings?

Post Apocalyptic Chicago 68... errr Cleveland 16?

[zico20]

Originally Posted by Rookies

Of course, before he gets to the Women... the Latinos... the Blacks... he's going to have to start with the Republicans!

He's at 38%. When does he get a majority of them, given his unfavourable ratings?

Post Apocalyptic Chicago 68... errr Cleveland 16?

You can scratch blacks off your list. They will vote Democrat 90-10 like they always do. It does not matter what Trump says, this number has held steady for numerous presidential elections. The turn out won't be as high with them this time around since Obama is not running, so that is a win for Trump right there.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Rookies

Of course, before he gets to the Women... the Latinos... the Blacks... he's going to have to start with the Republicans!

He's at 38%. When does he get a majority of them, given his unfavourable ratings?

Post Apocalyptic Chicago 68... errr Cleveland 16?

Just remember that one candidate has been attacked mercilessly and the other one hasn't had a glove laid on her. What if Trump gets under her skin at the debate talking about Benghazi, e mails and jail? What if he promises to go after her iif he wins the presidency and rattles her? Remember, if she cracks and is a woman who doesn't look 'presidential' things could change. People are sheep, they believe what they heard the previous day, voting is more than 6 months away, lots can happen.

[Tom]

No one will run against Hillary like Trump will.

And is having "only" 38% of the GOP, just WHO has more? Duh.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by delayjf

Pointing our her total failure as a SOS is not a personal attack, especially now that the agreement with Iran is falling apart.

It is if you distort the record. Clinton did a lot of personal diplomacy which changed the image of the United States among allies and adversaries. She mediated the reestablishment of diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia, two of our allies in the middle east.

She supported tying the surge in Iraq to a timetable for withdrawal. She encouraged Hosni Mubarek to step down, ending a repressive regime in Egypt.
And even though that was followed by an equally repressive regime under the Muslim brotherhood, that has been replaced by a freely elected government.

She advocated the removal of Moammar Ghadaffi (However the hell you spell it). Relations with Pakistan improved under Clinton's stewardship. We killed binLaden.

She organized and supported the sanctions against Iran which led to the recently implemented agreement. Any suggestion that that agreement is falling apart is simply not verified by the facts.

BENGHAZI AND THE EMAILS.
The three critcisms of Clinton on Beghazi were:
1. There wasn't enough security at Benghazi.
That may be true, but that decision was not made by Hillary Clinton. Also, even if there had been more security it would not have made any difference, except that more Americans would have been killed. There were more than 100 attackers armed with automatic weapons and RPGs,
2. The response to the attack was insufficient and delayed.
Read the State Department report on the attack or any of the congressional reports and you will see this is not true.
3. Clinton said the attack was the result of a video.
Yes maybe in the first days after the attack, but see very soon described it as a terrorist attack. And who cares.

It was not good that Clinton used her personal server for official emails. But did it do any damage. She never sent currently classified material, although some was later classified.

[PaceAdvantage]

Enjoy Hillary as President as much as you enjoyed Obama.

The Republicans are making it so damn easy for you in recent years, one wonders if Republican leadership is as much on Soros' payroll as MoveOn.org is.

I mean crap...you have lifelong Republicans who have been brainwashed in thinking they should vote for Clinton before voting for Hitler II in TRUMP.

I don't really prefer to call him Hitler though. Heck, he hasn't even approached Franklin Delano Roosevelt (DEMOCRAT) standards yet in terms of rounding up people of different color skin and tossing them (AMERICAN CITIZENS NO LESS) into internment camps.

But whatever...stick with the Hitler analogy (not you necessarily mostpost, as I can't recall if you've used it), even though Trump's daughter is married to an Orthodox Jew and has converted to Judaism herself...I'm sure the Hitler label is totally appropriate in Trump's case.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

That's odd. A Reuters article today claims 50% of US women view Trump as "very unfavorable."

But among Republican women, he enjoys a 60% favorability rating and that has held steady over the past three months.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0WJ155

Sure he has his work cut out for him, but there's plenty of time for him to improve his image.

If I can be serious for just a moment...
The media will cut him to pieces over his treatment of Megan Kelly, his antagonistic style early in the campaign, his flip flops etc.

No politician is perfect. But Trump has gone Stage 4 clown blowhard on so many respectful and respectable people and issues the past few months, the media has a lot to throw at him between the convention and Halloween, when the real damage is done. Unfortunately he's made his bed and it isn't pretty. He's too easy a target. Just watch CNN recently to get a glimpse then multiply by 1000.

It's going to get ugly. His inciteful (sp?) rhetoric has fueled anger, as witnessed in his rallies. It makes for good tv, and painting Trump as the dumbass loudmouth bad guy is easy to do when he gives the media all the ammo they need. He can be a perfect gentleman and a scholar from hereon and it won't matter. He's already been tagged and to be honest, it's his fault