poll - how many COVID vaccinations have you had?

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by davew

Who is an authority on the subject?

I'd start with, a virologist, an MD that specializes in infectious diseases, and possibly a pharmacist or biochemist who specializes in drug design and delivery with a focus on nucleic acid delivery. I'm sure there are others but I'd start there.

One things for sure, if I get diagnosed with cancer, I am not going to be taking the advice of a nurse educator or someone who specializes in holistic medicine, but that's just me, to each his own.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

I'd start with, a virologist, an MD that specializes in infectious diseases, and possibly a pharmacist or biochemist who specializes in drug design and delivery with a focus on nucleic acid delivery. I'm sure there are others but I'd start there.

One things for sure, if I get diagnosed with cancer, I am not going to be taking the advice of a nurse educator or someone who specializes in holistic medicine, but that's just me, to each his own.

Plenty of virologists, MDs that specialize in infectious diseases and even a former VP of Pfizer have voiced plenty of concerns and in some cases outright danger when it comes to these COVID vaccines.

But instead of giving them equal footing and debating and listening to what they have to say, they are/were immediately silenced and sent out to the fringes.

Why is that? Did that ever happen before? Especially when it comes to something BRAND NEW and not at all that WELL STUDIED?

Shouldn't we be ENCOURAGING this kind of vigorous, open debate? Precisely because the vaccines were indeed RUSHED out the door, did NOT have years of study and whose sellers were protected by an act of Congress against litigation, thereby further reducing their incentive to dot all I's and cross all T's when it came to safety data?

The people voicing concerns, whether they be potential consumers, or medical professionals, should never have been made to feel like lepers...it was actually disgusting and quite destructive to the future of the industry and the professions of all those involved.

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Plenty of virologists, MDs that specialize in infectious diseases and even a former VP of Pfizer have voiced plenty of concerns and in some cases outright danger when it comes to these COVID vaccines.

But instead of giving them equal footing and debating and listening to what they have to say, they are/were immediately silenced and sent out to the fringes.

Why is that? Did that ever happen before? Especially when it comes to something BRAND NEW and not at all that WELL STUDIED?

Shouldn't we be ENCOURAGING this kind of vigorous, open debate? Precisely because the vaccines were indeed RUSHED out the door, did NOT have years of study and whose sellers were protected by an act of Congress against litigation, thereby further reducing their incentive to dot all I's and cross all T's when it came to safety data?

The people voicing concerns, whether they be potential consumers, or medical professionals, should never have been made to feel like lepers...it was actually disgusting and quite destructive to the future of the industry and the professions of all those involved.

I don't have any problem with debate, especially amongst experts in the field, but an MD specializing in say family medicine or orthopedics is probably not the guy you want to get a final opinion on regarding infectious diseases or vaccines for that matter. It's why if I have ulnar nerve entrapment as I do now, I go to my family Dr. who refers me to orthopedics, who refers me to a neurologist.
I like you would encourage debate, but I sure as hell am gonna take the advice of the neurologist over my family Dr regarding a nerve issue in my elbow/hand.
So once again PA we agree in essence!

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

I don't have any problem with debate, especially amongst experts in the field, but an MD specializing in say family medicine or orthopedics is probably not the guy you want to get a final opinion on regarding infectious diseases or vaccines for that matter. It's why if I have ulnar nerve entrapment as I do now, I go to my family Dr. who refers me to orthopedics, who refers me to a neurologist.
I like you would encourage debate, but I sure as hell am gonna take the advice of the neurologist over my family Dr regarding a nerve issue in my elbow/hand.
So once again PA we agree in essence!

Why do you write as if no expert in infectious diseases or vaccines has risen alarms over these vaccines in public?

[Tom]

Good rulw of thumb, if there is a debate over safety of a vaxx, take the opposite side of Big Pharma and the government.

Remember just who CREATED the opium crisis.....BP, with gov'nt acting as facilitator.

Who ya gonna trust.

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Why do you write as if no expert in infectious diseases or vaccines has risen alarms over these vaccines in public?

I didn't mean to say that, but I don't see a helluva a lot of those posted here.

[Jeff P]

Rumble

Imo, 13 minutes and well worth watching.

• Paul E. Marik, M.D. Pulmonary / Critical Care Specialist / arguably the most published practicing Intensivist in the world

• Pierre Kory, M.D. Pulmonary / Critical Care Specialist

• Richard Bartlett M.D. Emergency Room Doctor / Teaches Advanced Trauma Life Support to other Doctors

• Peter McCullough M.D. Cardiologist, Epidemiologist.

Now you've seen at least one post where some of the most highly respected medical names in the US were interviewed.




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[Jeff P]

Tucker Carlson interviews Dr. Peter McCullough:

Bitchute

Imo, 45 minutes very much worth watching.

At about the 5 minute mark in the video McCullough talks about the concerted effort to suppress early treatment including Google/Youtube taking down his Youtube video based on a paper he published in the American Journal of Medicine (August 2020.)

Immediately after that he talks about a fake peer reviewed paper denouncing early treatment published by The Lancet (The Lancet actually published a retraction.)



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[Inner Dirt]

I have a friend in Texas who works in a hospital, he does cardiac testing. He said opinions on the jabs are running 50-50, he is one that hasn't got jabbed and did get Covid. He said after a couple days he was fine, he is in his mid 40's and healthy.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

I didn't mean to say that, but I don't see a helluva a lot of those posted here.

There has been plenty posted here about actual experts being shutdown. Do you look at Jeff's posts?


You can't get any more expert than Dr. Malone, the key inventor of mRNA technology, who was censored, shunned and banned when he spoke out against the vaccines.

[Jeff P]

New paper published Aug 31, 2022 authored by some highly respected names including Dr. Stefan Baral, an epidemiology professor at Johns Hopkins University; surgeon Martin A. Makary, M.D., a professor at Johns Hopkins University, and Salmaan Keshavjee, M.D., Ph.D., Director of the Harvard Medical School Center for Global Health Delivery, and professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School.

Covid-19 vaccine boosters for young adults: A risk-benefit assessment and five ethical arguments against mandates at universities:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4206070

Kevin Bardosh
University of Washington; University of Edinburgh - Edinburgh Medical School

Allison Krug
Artemis Biomedical Communications LLC

Euzebiusz Jamrozik
University of Oxford

Trudo Lemmens
University of Toronto - Faculty of Law

Salmaan Keshavjee
Harvard University - Harvard Medical School

Vinay Prasad
University of California, San Francisco (UCSF)

Martin A. Makary
Johns Hopkins University - Department of Surgery

Stefan Baral
John Hopkins University

Tracy Beth Høeg
Florida Department of Health; Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital

Date Written: August 31, 2022

Abstract

Students at North American universities risk disenrollment due to third dose Covid-19 vaccine mandates. We present a risk-benefit assessment of boosters in this age group and provide five ethical arguments against mandates. We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one Covid-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per Covid-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable. University booster mandates are unethical because: 1) no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group; 2) vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people; 3) mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission; 4) US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and 5) mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialisation and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support. Finally, we discuss the relevance of our analysis for current 2-dose Covid-19 vaccine mandates in North America.

Full PDF:
https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/deliver...pdf&INDEX=TRUE

clickable screenshots attached below showing Figure 1 and Figure 2 from pages 16 and 17 at the linked to PDF above.

The authors are basically saying based on recent real world data that college campus vaccine mandates likely result in more harm than good.


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[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by xtb

There has been plenty posted here about actual experts being shutdown. Do you look at Jeff's posts?


You can't get any more expert than Dr. Malone, the key inventor of mRNA technology, who was censored, shunned and banned when he spoke out against the vaccines.

Speaking of Dr. Malone I ran into this from 9/6. I always like hearing his take on things.

https://rumble.com/v1j766l-diamond-a...lone-9622.html

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

It's why if I have ulnar nerve entrapment as I do now

Ugh... that sucks.

I smashed mine years ago and it took forever for me to regain feeling in my last two fingers/outside of my palm.

[Jeff P]

TheEpochTimes.com | By Rebecca Zhu | Updated: September 12, 2022
New Zealand Scraps Nearly All COVID-19 Restrictions, Including Mask and Vaccination Mandates:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%...s_4724789.html

All government vaccine mandates will end on Sept. 26, and all vaccination requirements for incoming travellers and aircrew will also be removed.

“So now, anyone over the age of 65, and Maori and Pacific people over the age of 50, or anyone who meets Pharmac requirements, can access the treatment in the early stages of contracting the virus.

New Zealand announces an end to Vaccine Mandates and will Ramp Up Early Treatment.



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[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Ugh... that sucks.

I smashed mine years ago and it took forever for me to regain feeling in my last two fingers/outside of my palm.

Yes sir, really not fun, besides the numbness and tingling, I am getting severe cramps in my forearm and lower triceps, getting an ultrasound injection of the nerve tomorrow, hope that helps because the surgery looks very below average