poll - how many COVID vaccinations have you had?

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

IF there is some sort of hidden agenda going on...whether that be protect profits...make profits...or something even darker...do you think it's going to make it into GOOGLE SCHOLAR?

Of course not. Those doing the "scholaring" depend on GRANT MONEY from the very institutions who may or may not be hiding an agenda.

Being skeptical is quite healthy. Buying into something brand new full bore is not.

Google scholar should be where you are looking for research, not epoch times or fox news or abc or cnn. That's all. Google scholar is definitely NOT the place to search for conspiracy theories, I agree.

BTW PA, I find myself agreeing with you more and more, it's kind of scary!

[tbwinner]

The question is Now, after all we know and been thru, do you believe in natural immunity?

[jimmyb]

Bottom line is no matter what google scholar says, my own experience is what counts. Did the vaccine prevent covid in me? Possibly as i've never contracted the illness. Has the vaccine improved my quality of life? Definitively not!

[Jeff P]

On Sept 3 2022 The Epoch Times ran an article under the following headline:

Hospital Study Shows This Can Prevent COVID-19 Infection:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/hospit...n_4708648.html

The 'This' in the headline turned out to Hydrogen Peroxide.

Hospital Study Shows H2O2 Prevents COVID-19

In August 2022, a study[9][10] of over 4,000 patients and 89 health care staff in a hospital in Ghana revealed the results of those who used hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) mouthwash, gargle and nasal rinse daily as a preventive against COVID-19.[11]

The researchers compared the data between two hospitals in Ghana where individuals who were vaccinated or not vaccinated either used H2O2 prophylactically or did not. The effect on inpatients was also recorded. They found that in the 89 health care staff members who used the H2O2 preventively, only one contracted COVID-19 and that person had discontinued using the rinses.

None of the greater than 4,000 patients who were treated with H2O2 got COVID-19. In another hospital, 424 staff members were fully vaccinated; 34 of those used hydrogen peroxide and none developed COVID-19. Of the remaining 390 health care staff, 53 developed COVID-19.

In another group of 78 unvaccinated staff, 23 used hydrogen peroxide and none of them contracted COVID-19. In the remaining group, 35 got COVID-19. The results from this study suggested that H2O2 was more effective at preventing COVID-19 than the jab.

The participants used 1% hydrogen peroxide mouthwash and diluted hydrogen peroxide to 0.5% for the nasal cavity rinse. The treatment was done only once daily.

The researchers concluded, “Regular, daily HPA [hydrogen peroxide antisepsis] protects HCWs [health care workers] from COVID-19 and curtails nosocomial spread of SARS-CoV-2.”[12] This is important since infections in the hospital are more easily transmitted when staff have greater face-to-face exposure with patients and each other.

The data from the August 22 study confirmed an earlier observational report[13] by the same team on two groups of health care workers. In the earlier results, the researchers found that 89 of 944 health care workers who did not use hydrogen peroxide tested positive for COVID-19 in the study period. During the same time, 154 health care workers used the hydrogen peroxide treatment and 100% of those tested negative.

FYI --

Early on in the Pandemic, The Epoch Times ran a similar article about the success of Hydrogen Peroxide in Ghana (and predictably) Fact Checkers called it "Unproven."

Prior to typing this post, I pulled up Google Scholar, did a search for the phrase "hydrogen peroxide covid-19 study ghana" (without the quotes) and discovered the main source cited in The Epoch Times article above comes up near the very top of the Google Scholar search results.

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, July 8, 2022
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE PROTECTION AGAINST COVID-19: AN OVERVIEW
Hospital studies support daily mouth-washing and throat-gargling with 1% hydrogen peroxide and 0.5% for nasal cleansing:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v18n19.shtml

Hydrogen Peroxide In-Vitro Inactivation of SARS-CoV-2

In-vitro studies have shown that 3% hydrogen peroxide inactivates SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory viruses. [12,13] Since the emergence of COVID-19, additional studies have demonstrated that even lower concentrations of hydrogen peroxide (1% and 0.5%) inactivate the virus within one minute in-vitro. [14-16] Povidone has also been shown in in-vitro studies to inactivate the virus. These comparative in-vitro studies suggest that povidone and hydrogen peroxide are most effective against the virus when the virus is exposed to them. [15]

Clinical evidence of efficacy and safety of oral antiseptics against SARS-CoV-2, had been lacking until recently. [16-19] Oral antiseptics including hydrogen peroxide had not featured in the preventive measures against previous coronavirus infections such as the SARS-CoV and the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) epidemics.

In this brief review, we have considered the scientific basis of the effectiveness of hydrogen peroxide antisepsis against SARS-CoV-2, providing clinical evidence that this solution even in low concentrations protects against COVID-19.

Oral Antiseptics and COVID-19

Emphasis is being placed by researchers on oral antiseptics in the search for a solution to prevent COVID-19 because of the potential of these solutions to inactivate SARS-CoV-2. From the results of in-vitro studies as noted above, it had been rightly assumed that viruses in the oronasal cavities and their adjacent pharyngeal spaces could be inactivated before they attach to and penetrate the mucosal barriers in these regions to infect deeper lying cells to cause infection and disease. Critical in this consideration is the membrane wall of the virus and the spike proteins found on it. This nature of the virus has recently been reviewed. [20-22]

To be effective against an enveloped virus, the oral antiseptic must affect either the membrane wall of the virus or its spike proteins to prevent the S-protein from binding to the human Angiotensin Converting enzyme (h-ACE) receptor which is present in the mucus membrane of all parts of the respiratory system. [21] That is how the antiseptic inactivates the virus to prevent it from attaching to the mucosa and to penetrate to infect deeper lying cells to cause infection.

Being a powerful oxidant, hydrogen peroxide has a great potential to achieve the above. The released reactive oxygen species (ROS) products of hydrogen peroxide rapidly modify the acyl chain by lipid peroxidation of the unsaturated chains in the membrane wall to destabilize the virus. [11,23] By that action, hydrogen peroxide directly limits and even destroys the ability of the virus to attach to ACE receptors. The ROS also directly affect amino acid chains of proteins [24], and would, therefore, interfere with the structure of the spike proteins of the virus in the process of peroxidation, rendering them ineffective.

Oral antiseptics and the Incubation Period of the Coronavirus

Hydrogen peroxidation occurs within a minute. The virus, therefore, has little chance of infecting an individual, as it requires at least 24 to 48 hours to attach to the mucous membrane and to penetrate to cause infection, the incubation period varying 2-14 days. [25,26] A window of opportunity of at least 24 hours is therefore offered to inactivate the virus soon after entering either the oral or nasal cavities. Within a minute of that period and with concentrations of hydrogen peroxide as low as 1% and 0.5%, the virus is inactivated as suggested in a recent study. [16]

Even when a more transmissible variant or sub-variant of the virus enters the oronasal cavities, there is sufficient time for hydrogen peroxide deactivation to happen, if it is used daily. It must be noted, however, that the virus could escape residence in the oral and nasal cavities and their pharyngeal spaces to directly affect other parts of the trachea-bronchial tree including the alveolar pneumocytes, causing early disease with dire consequences. [27]

This is why the recommendation for early intervention with hydrogen peroxide nebulization is vital in such cases to inactivate the virus before it causes disease directly involving the alveoli. This subject has been extensively dealt with. [28-30] For that reason, those at greater risk of direct invasion of the lungs with viruses such as healthcare workers, athletes, and those with lifestyle activities requiring hyperventilation, must also boost their immune system with adequate levels of micronutrients such as Vitamin C, D and E, folic acid, zinc, and magnesium. [31]

Prophylactic Use of Oral Antiseptics in Dental Practice to Protect Patients and Staff from COVID-19

Recent data on the use of hydrogen peroxide in dental clinics suggests that it is useful in reducing SARS-CoV-2 viral load [16], corroborating the use of oral antiseptics employed in dental practice as an antidote to SARS-CoV-2 transmission. [38] In the US especially, hydrogen peroxide prophylaxis in dental surgery has been adopted by the American Dental Association. [38] In New Zealand, hydrogen peroxide use as prophylaxis has also been approved. [39] In Ghana, both povidone and hydrogen peroxide are in use clinically for patients before non-surgical and surgical dental procedures (Personal communication - Dr. Mary Ayettey-Adamafio, co-author). This practice is intended to protect both patients and staff from contracting the coronavirus. It is helpful too for the patient, as the oral antiseptic inactivates other microbial organisms that might otherwise escape into the blood stream to cause disease. [4]

Clinical Use of Hydrogen Peroxide to Protect Healthcare Workers and Patients

This is the crux of our current research published to date. [17,18] From our observations that very low concentrations of hydrogen peroxide protect hospital staff who are most at risk of contracting COVID-19, from the strong anecdotal evidence of hydrogen peroxide protection from the disease, and from the growing international interest in the use of oral antiseptics to prevent the disease, we recognize a providential guidance in March 2020 to investigate the relationship between hydrogen peroxide and coronaviruses. Indeed, since then, other investigators have also shared anecdotal evidence of hydrogen peroxide benefits even in treatment of COVID-19. [28,30]

While preparing a protocol for clinical investigation of the efficacy of hydrogen peroxide protection against COVID-19, we were fortuitously presented with an opportunity to observe eight emergency care nurses at the Shai-Osudoku District Hospital who, on their own volition, had been using hydrogen peroxide since May 2020 to protect themselves from the disease. At that time, the only preventive protocols were the established public health measures including mouth and nose covers, frequent washing of hands with soap under running water, and use of hand sanitizers. Only those who were managing confirmed COVID-19 cases wore the full personal protective equipment clothing suit. These emergency-care nurses wore ordinary scrubs; there were no vaccines available at the time; neither were there fail-proof therapeutic remedies for the disease.

Unknown to us, these eight healthcare workers had heard about our advocacy for 1% hydrogen peroxide daily use for mouth-washing and throat-gargling for one minute and 0.5% for nasal cleansing through several social platforms to save lives, and were using it. The reason for promoting hydrogen peroxide use was that team members and their relatives using the solution and who had been exposed to the disease had been protected. By May 2020, anecdotal evidence of hydrogen peroxide protection against COVID-19 had already become strong. Faced with the real challenge of rapid spreading of the disease, and without fail-proof preventive measures and therapeutic interventions, we were obliged to share more widely the anecdotal evidence of hydrogen peroxide protection with the wider family, friends, colleagues, neighbors and others including religious bodies, recognizing also that this antiseptic is an off-the-counter solution that had been in use in dental practice for decades. [35]

It was observed that these eight nurses remained free of COVID-19, even though they attended to several patients at the facility who were later diagnosed with COVID-19. RT-PCR tests on them remained negative. We followed them closely till December 2020. While they remained free of the disease, 62 of their colleagues working in less risky areas of the hospital and clothed in scrubs like those at the emergency department but not using hydrogen peroxide, had COVID-19 by the end of December 2020.

Between December 2020 and January 2021, Ghana recorded two new variants of SARS-CoV-2 (the Alpha and Beta variants) which caused a spike in COVID-19 cases till March 2021. [40] Realizing that their eight colleagues who managed patients, before they were diagnosed as COVID-19 and transferred to COVID-19 treatment centers, remained protected from the disease because they were using hydrogen peroxide, 86 other colleagues at that hospital decided to try it. From January to end of March 2021, none of these 86 healthcare workers now using hydrogen peroxide plus the 8 emergency nurses contracted COVID-19, while 10 of their colleagues not using hydrogen peroxide had the disease.

Between April and December 2021, 424 members of staff out of a total establishment of 502 at the Shai-Osudoku District hospital were fully vaccinated with the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine: 78 healthcare workers were not vaccinated. Within that period too, the number of staff using hydrogen peroxide decreased from 94 to 57. Of the 57 using hydrogen peroxide, 34 were vaccinated and 23 were not; none of them developed COVID-19.

Of the remaining 55 unvaccinated staff who were not using hydrogen peroxide, 35 had COVID-19 between April and December 2021. Of the 390 fully vaccinated staff not using hydrogen peroxide, 53 tested positive for COVID-19. The above information has been published elsewhere. [17,18] These results were highly statistically significant.

New information from the Shai-Osudoku District Hospital reveals that there were 21 new cases of COVID-19 recorded among the healthcare staff in June 2022. Prior to that, no new cases of COVID-19 were recorded since January 2022. All the twenty-one (21) affected healthcare workers were fully vaccinated and not using hydrogen peroxide.

At the Mount Olives Hospital which is a private facility in the Bono East Region of Ghana, another opportunity presented for observation of hydrogen peroxide protection against COVID-19. Twenty-two (22) cases of COVID-19 were recorded at this hospital for the first time in July 2020 and before hydrogen peroxide intervention. Seventeen (17) of these were healthcare workers, and five (5) were inpatients. Hydrogen peroxide prophylactic use among inpatients and staff was introduced in August 2020. Hydrogen peroxide use was also recommended for the healthcare staff on voluntary basis.

Between August 2020 and March 2021, no cases of COVID-19 were recorded among a total of 3,375 inpatients on hydrogen peroxide prophylaxis twice a day. Of the members of staff, no cases of COVID-19 were recorded among those (32) not using hydrogen peroxide. Of the 52 on hydrogen peroxide prophylaxis, two travelled outside the town for a week and did not use hydrogen peroxide during that period; those two contracted COVID-19. The rest were free from disease.

From April 2021 to December 2021 no cases of COVID-19 were recorded among inpatients (total 4726). Within the same period too, no cases of the disease were found among the healthcare staff, all of whom were fully vaccinated and using hydrogen peroxide, except one who stopped using hydrogen peroxide in the month of December and contracted the disease. Again, this has been captured in our recent publications. [18] Recent information from this hospital is that no cases of COVID-19 have been recorded among healthcare workers and inpatients from January to June 2022. All healthcare workers (current total 89), and all inpatients (total 2,484 for the period) have continued on hydrogen peroxide prophylaxis, the staff remaining fully vaccinated.

Summary

A summary of the observations so far is that none at both institutions using hydrogen peroxide on a regular daily basis had COVID-19 over a period of 26 months since the study began. At the Mount Olives Hospital, three staff members who stopped or interrupted hydrogen peroxide use over the period of the study had COVID-19. Otherwise, no cases of COVID-19 were recorded after hydrogen peroxide prophylaxis was introduced. There was not a single case of COVID-19 among a total of 10,220 inpatients on hydrogen peroxide between August 2020 and June 2022.

The Epoch Times has literally published hundreds of articles about Covid-19 that are directly sourced from studies published in medical journals.

If you ask me, The Epoch Times and Google Scholar are not mutually exclusive.

I'm also thinking that two years in, I can safely add Hydrogen Peroxide to the list of things Covid-19 related the Fact Checkers got wrong.


-jp

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[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by tbwinner

The question is Now, after all we know and been thru, do you believe in natural immunity?

Dr. Fauci could have boosted his credibility throughout this whole so-called pandemic had he acknowledged the absolute value of natural immunity from the beginning, as he had done in the past.

I totally believe in natural immunity; I rely upon it, to this day.

Dr. Anthony Fauci on C-SPAN in 2004 discussing Natural Immunity

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[davew]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

Of course I would admit that, but I will also say, I still feel there are enough benefits that I will continue to get boosters as they become available. I do not think you would find too many people in my department that would disagree with me.

Do they require vaccination to maintain your employment there? I have heard that some areas in the country have a registered nurse shortage because of some refusal of the covid vaccination required for employment.


I understand that from a public health perspective, some side effects and adverse reactions could still be better than massive death tolls.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Dr. Fauci could have boosted his credibility throughout this whole so-called pandemic had he acknowledged the absolute value of natural immunity from the beginning, as he had done in the past.

I totally believe in natural immunity; I rely upon it, to this day.

Dr. Anthony Fauci on C-SPAN in 2004 discussing Natural Immunity

https://youtu.be/XyAFd21NnDU

Of course the most potent protection against any virus is to get infected (not that anybody WANTS to get infected).

That's just THE SCIENCE™

Always has been...until of course, COVID came along...and all of a sudden, natural immunity itself had to be put in the shitcan, because that would mean less vaccines being sold and less $$$$ for Pfizer.

Can't have that!

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by davew

Do they require vaccination to maintain your employment there? I have heard that some areas in the country have a registered nurse shortage because of some refusal of the covid vaccination required for employment.


I understand that from a public health perspective, some side effects and adverse reactions could still be better than massive death tolls.

They do not.

[JBmadera]

Due to my age and my level of fitness, my Dr said there was no need for me to vax. Well, I got covid last week and I can honestly say I have never been sicker in my life (burst appendix during college excepted), he's put me on 4-5 meds now and they seem to be helping a bit.

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by JBmadera

Due to my age and my level of fitness, my Dr said there was no need for me to vax. Well, I got covid last week and I can honestly say I have never been sicker in my life (burst appendix during college excepted), he's put me on 4-5 meds now and they seem to be helping a bit.

Get well soon, that stuff is no joke!

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Dr. Fauci could have boosted his credibility throughout this whole so-called pandemic had he acknowledged the absolute value of natural immunity from the beginning, as he had done in the past.

I totally believe in natural immunity; I rely upon it, to this day.

Dr. Anthony Fauci on C-SPAN in 2004 discussing Natural Immunity

https://youtu.be/XyAFd21NnDU

In this case I will pray for you next time you get smallpox or rabies, polio, hepatitus a or b, tetanus, measles, etc. You will need it.

[Jeff P]

I searched Google Scholar for the phrase "natural immunity after recovery from sars-cov-2" (without the quotes) and found an article about Natural Immunity at the very top of the search results that was published in THE LANCET in January 2022.

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THE LANCET | Volume 22, ISSUE 1, P12-14, January 01, 2022
Protective immunity after recovery from SARS-CoV-2 infection:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...676-9/fulltext

We reviewed studies published in PubMed from inception to Sept 28, 2021, and found well conducted biological studies showing protective immunity after infection (panel). Furthermore, multiple epidemiological and clinical studies, including studies during the recent period of predominantly delta (B.1.617.2) variant transmission, found that the risk of repeat SARS-CoV-2 infection decreased by 80·5–100% among those who had had COVID-19 previously (panel). The reported studies were large and conducted throughout the world. Another laboratory-based study that analysed the test results of 9119 people with previous COVID-19 from Dec 1, 2019, to Nov 13, 2020, found that only 0·7% became reinfected.11

In a study conducted at the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, OH, USA, those who had not previously been infected had a COVID-19 incidence rate of 4·3 per 100 people, whereas those who had previously been infected had a COVID-19 incidence rate of 0 per 100 people.6

Furthermore, a study conducted in Austria found that the frequency of hospitalisation due to a repeated infection was five per 14840 (0·03%) people and the frequency of death due to a repeated infection was one per 14840 (0·01%) people.4

Due to the strong association and biological basis for protection,12 clinicians should consider counselling recovered patients on their risk for reinfection and document previous infection status in medical records.

Although those studies show that protection from reinfection is strong and persists for more than 10 months of follow-up,3 it is unknown how long protective immunity will truly last. Many systemic viral infections, such as measles, confer long-term, if not lifelong, immunity, whereas others, such as influenza, do not (due to changes in viral genetics).4 We are limited by the length of current reported follow-up data to know with certainty the expected duration that previous infection will protect against COVID-19. Encouragingly, authors of a study conducted among recovered individuals who had experienced mild SARS-CoV-2 infection reported that mild infection induced a robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans.13

It important to note that antibodies are incomplete predictors of protection. After vaccination or infection, many mechanisms of immunity exist within an individual not only at the antibody level, but also at the level of cellular immunity.14,15,16

It is known that SARS-CoV-2 infection induces specific and durable T-cell immunity, which has multiple SARS-CoV-2 spike protein targets (or epitopes) as well as other SARS-CoV-2 protein targets. The broad diversity of T-cell viral recognition serves to enhance protection to SARS-CoV-2 variants,15 with recognition of at least the alpha (B.1.1.7), beta (B.1.351), and gamma (P.1) variants of SARS-CoV-2.17 Researchers have also found that people who recovered from SARS-CoV infection in 2002–03 continue to have memory T cells that are reactive to SARS-CoV proteins 17 years after that outbreak.15 Additionally, a memory B-cell response to SARS-CoV-2 evolves between 1·3 and 6·2 months after infection, which is consistent with longer-term protection.18

Some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination.6,19 In fact, one study found that previous COVID-19 was associated with increased adverse events following vaccination with the Comirnaty BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech).20 In addition, there are rare reports of serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination.21 In Switzerland, residents who can prove they have recovered from a SARS-CoV-2 infection through a positive PCR or other test in the past 12 months are considered equally protected as those who have been fully vaccinated.22

I underlined a few of the bullet points in the article that I think are important.

For example, kind of interesting the authors suggest doctors should consider counseling patients about Natural Immunity.

Also interesting that the authors point out some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and mention that Natural Immunity is becoming recognized in Europe.


-jp

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[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

I searched Google Scholar for the phrase "natural immunity after recovery from sars-cov-2" (without the quotes) and found an article about Natural Immunity at the very top of the search results that was published in THE LANCET in January 2022.

clickable thumbnail below

THE LANCET | Volume 22, ISSUE 1, P12-14, January 01, 2022
Protective immunity after recovery from SARS-CoV-2 infection:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...676-9/fulltext





I underlined a few of the bullet points in the article that I think are important.

For example, kind of interesting the authors suggest doctors should consider counseling patients about Natural Immunity.

Also interesting that the authors point out some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and mention that Natural Immunity is becoming recognized in Europe.


-jp

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I don't think any sane person can question the efficacy of natural immunity, I also can't understand how any person with "at risk" factors for complications.....such as diabetes in myself, would not want a vaccination.
I mean would you rather get hepatitus a or b and risk liver damage when there is vaccines to prevent ever getting it? How about measles, etc?
I can't for the life of me understand why people need to believe that both of these things cannot be good....natural immunity and vaccinations......in my case, I was vaccinated and probably had some immunity to covid and I got plenty sick with some immunity.....now in theory I have natural immunity as well, although natural immunity has not seemed to stop several people I know from contracting Covid 2 and even 3x.

[Jeff P]

Dr. John Campbell discusses a recent Natural Immunity Study out of Portugal where the authors estimated protection vs. Omicron BA.5 infection based on recovery after infection by each of the previous variants. (About 16 minutes.)

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-jp

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[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

Dr. John Campbell discusses a recent Natural Immunity Study out of Portugal where the authors estimated protection vs. Omicron BA.5 infection based on recovery after infection by each of the previous variants. (About 16 minutes.)

https://youtu.be/SN7cX_linEA




-jp

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Out of curiosity, what is Dr Campbell a doctor of? I know was just curious if you knew?