Charlatan Stripped Of Arkansas Derby??

[classhandicapper]

Do we know which drug the horses tested positive for yet?

This is what I saw yesterday, but I have no idea if this is speculation or factual. It sounds like a stronger version of Bengay for horses that they somehow tested positive for.

https://www.casino.org/news/reports-...s-in-arkansas/

Both horses reportedly tested positive for lidocaine, a local anesthetic. According to the Association of Racing Commissioners International (ARCI), lidocaine is considered a Class 2 drug, which is defined as a substance with “a high potential to affect performance.”

If a horse needs lidocaine to perform, then the horse should be resting and not racing,” Irby added. “What the public may not realize is that lidocaine is typically a topical agent applied to the skin and limbs, and may be undetected by a blood test.

[burnsy]

I agree with Pandy and Lambo. After Justify and Max. It’s pretty apparent the code is if you can do it don’t get caught.

The other thing about these super trainers and all athletes for that matter. You can only be so big, so strong and so fast as humanly possible. Once it begins to look unreal it probably isn’t real. There’s artificial “ factors” involved. It’s one of the reasons I never cared much for this trainer. I always feel like he somehow gets under the radar without getting busted. And if you read the internet people he’s the best trainer since “Silent Tom” Smith. But you had to wonder with the performances and number of them. Right on Pandy.

Who knows what’s said behind closed doors. But Baffert May have been warned. If something happens in Arkansas I’m gonna make you look stupid. A little of that could be going on here too.

[MutuelClerk]

Originally Posted by Tom

So how do the officials justify breaking their own rules?
If the second test comes back negative, should someone in the office be fired?

I like the way you phrased that Tom. Using the word JUSTIFY.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by pandy

Pletcher also gets the best bred expensive horses, and he also wins a lot of races, but his horses rarely turn in sensational out-of-their-mind performances.

Except at Gulfstream.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by burnsy

Louis Cella, the owner and president of Oaklawn Park, said the commission was “grabbing the bull by the horns.”
“We will not have a situation like in California, where a horse ran in the Kentucky Derby after failing a drug test,” Cella said, referring to a test failed by Justify, the 2018 Triple Crown winner. “That was an embarrassment to the industry. We will push to have this cleared up by the Belmont Stakes.”


Like I said .... lol. Who leaked it out there.??? Just wondering ?????

I love that quote. I wish I could put it up on a billboard.

California's racing establishment deserves all the shade Cella throws at it.

[HHE10]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I love that quote. I wish I could put it up on a billboard.

California's racing establishment deserves all the shade Cella throws at it.

I just posted it yesterday I saw from twitter. So whoever posted it on twitter maybe?

Of course it had to be someone big to have it leak

[HHE10]

It’s almost at bad as standardbred doping. 2 trainers doped like 50+ horses and are pretty much allowed to get let go and still race again.

I think if you dope once your done. No exceptions. Doesn’t matter if your Baffert or some small guy racing at Fonner, you should be banned for life.

Taking advantage on animals like this is just stupid. And then acting like I never did it is even worse.

[Magician]

baffert cheats and kills horses. just like servis. plenty of evidence to back up that statement. it was no shock the wests sent maximum security to baffert.


dutrow got 10 years. baffert deserves the same.

[Magician]

Originally Posted by burnsy

Louis Cella, the owner and president of Oaklawn Park, said the commission was “grabbing the bull by the horns.”
“We will not have a situation like in California, where a horse ran in the Kentucky Derby after failing a drug test,” Cella said, referring to a test failed by Justify, the 2018 Triple Crown winner. “That was an embarrassment to the industry. We will push to have this cleared up by the Belmont Stakes.”

this guy is great for the sport. i will support his track even more now.

[cutchemist42]

Breeding rights already sold correct?

[Suff]

Basically ignoring this as a part of my strategy to stay in.

But Lido-caine is nothing. Its over the counter humans no? Its in the toothache pain & and the medicated pad aisle at cvs.

Servis-Navarro
I’m not involved to know, but what I see coming is the trainers did nothing wrong. The drugs outpaced the regulation. Using new treatments that were undetectable was a function of the treatment.

The fall guys - the buyers- the mislabelers-vets. One vet, the one in NY—- he is in worse than anybody by far.

Lidocaine nothing though. Especially small amount as a topical.

[clicknow]

You mean race horses shouldn't be pin-cushions?

Wow. That is quite a novel concept.

[Suff]

Basically ignoring this as a part of my strategy to stay in.

But Lido-caine is nothing. Its over the counter humans no? Its in the toothache pain & and the medicated pad aisle at cvs.

Servis-Navarro
I’m not involved to know, but what I see coming is the trainers did nothing wrong. The drugs outpaced the regulation. Using new treatments that were undetectable was a function of the treatment.

The fall guys - the buyers- the mislabelers-vets. One vet, the one in NY—- he is in worse than anybody by far.

Lidocaine nothing though. Especially small amount as a topical.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Suff

Basically ignoring this as a part of my strategy to stay in.

But Lido-caine is nothing. Its over the counter humans no? Its in the toothache pain & and the medicated pad aisle at cvs.

Servis-Navarro
I’m not involved to know, but what I see coming is the trainers did nothing wrong. The drugs outpaced the regulation. Using new treatments that were undetectable was a function of the treatment.

The fall guys - the buyers- the mislabelers-vets. One vet, the one in NY—- he is in worse than anybody by far.

Lidocaine nothing though. Especially small amount as a topical.

I think doping rules is one situation where legal formalism has a lot of merit.

For instance, back in the day, sprinters took certain cold medications as stimulants. So the IAAF outlawed them. They still took them, of course, and claimed that they had colds. Didn't matter- the IAAF suspended them anyway.

"It's nothing" is simply not a defense to a charge of use of a banned substance. It isn't the trainer's authority to decide what's "nothing" and what's not "nothing".

If it's banned, and a trainer is caught using it, that should be the ball game (and, like track and field, it ought to be 2 years out of the sport for a first offense). One reason horse racing is so full of drugs is that the sport is always making excuses for positive tests.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Suff

Basically ignoring this as a part of my strategy to stay in.

But Lido-caine is nothing. Its over the counter humans no? Its in the toothache pain & and the medicated pad aisle at cvs.

Lidocaine nothing though. Especially small amount as a topical.

Lidocaine is a painkiller. Inject a lame horse with lidocaine and they run through their pain....and sometimes they breakdown as a result, as the underlying pain issue doesn't disappear with the injection, just the pain sensation. It's tested for, so I don't think this happens too often. But I suspect there are undetectable painkillers that do result in needless breakdowns.