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Old 04-11-2012, 04:50 PM   #181
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Thoroughbred Times did an analysis of charts from 2009-2011 (same ones NY times used).
They then went back and did a chart analysis from 1999-2001 and compared that to the 2009-11 figures.
Overall there has been a significant increase in "incidents" over the decade.

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http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...n-injury.aspx#

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http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/med...ablespart2.pdf
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:47 PM   #182
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Thoroughbred Times did an analysis of charts from 2009-2011 (same ones NY times used).
They then went back and did a chart analysis from 1999-2001 and compared that to the 2009-11 figures.
Overall there has been a significant increase in "incidents" over the decade.

Article
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...n-injury.aspx#

The tables
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/med...ablespart2.pdf
This is an interesting (sort of) look at the evolution of chart calling terminology over the years at American racetracks.

For example, the term "Euthanized" was not invented until after 2001.

Also, "vanned off" could be precautionary and "lame" could cover a wide range of "incidents"- some much more long-term and serious than others. I guess it would just depend on whoever was writing the chart, how sharp their eyes were, and how much detail and effort they wanted to put in.

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Old 04-11-2012, 09:28 PM   #183
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Put all the lipstick on that pig you want, using the charts for your data is bogus.
He made up data to further his agenda and he lied. The man has no credibility.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:56 PM   #184
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March 18, Summers at Delmar, pulled up, vanned off at Santa Anita.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...031812USA6.pdf

Six days later, March 24, Summers at Delmar, pulled up, vanned off at Turf Paradise.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...032412USA2.pdf

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The hat trick. Connections should be very, very proud. Three van rides in three consecutive starts.

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TUP042712USA6.pdf
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:20 PM   #185
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The hat trick. Connections should be very, very proud. Three van rides in three consecutive starts.

http://equibase.com/static/chart/pdf/TUP042712USA6.pdf

That's ridiculous. Why is the trainer or track letting this horse run for? To watch it break down?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #186
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That's ridiculous. Why is the trainer or track letting this horse run for? To watch it break down?
this is gonna sound odd, but one of the first things i feared
when Suffolk Downs got tough of T'Breds going to slaughter,
was some dirtbags would just use it as an excuse to run horses
until they literally drop dead on the track, or are banned by the
Track Vet for coming to the track in poor shape multiple times.
i hope i'm wrong.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:13 PM   #187
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Do we have to wait for 2017 for part 2?
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:08 AM   #188
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Do we have to wait for 2017 for part 2?
I've been wondering about this. What's up?
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:35 AM   #189
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I've been wondering about this. What's up?
Educated guess- next Saturday the 5th.

To maximize exposure, the online edition will be posted in the pm (same day as Derby) and the print format will be front page Sunday morning.

Again, just a prediction.

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Old 04-28-2012, 12:35 AM   #190
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:12 PM   #191
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Originally Posted by menifee

"The states have created artificial subsidies with slot money. As with any other state subsidy (i.e., post-graduate education), the quality of the product suffers and the quantity supplied expands because the market is distorted. Thus, you have people entering lame and injured horses in an attempt to chase that money. Those New Mexico tracks would not survive without the artificial subsidy."

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This is some nonsense. The first and last sentences are correct. However, what is in the middle makes it a bull**** sandwich. People chase that money regardless. A guy with a horse at a slot subsidized track is no more likely to enter a "lame or injured" horse than a guy at a track with no slots. In fact, the incentive would be greater with bigger purses to take a more patient approach. Your logic is dangerous because somebody might read it and actually be dumb enough to believe it. Whats next, slot subsidies killed Kennedy?

Marlin, please read this article and let me know if you still disagree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/us...acks.html?_r=2
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