Will Beyer's #'s make a comeback ?

[karlskorner]

For the Preakness. Everybody has an opinion

http://www.nypost.com/sports/24081.htm

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by karlskorner

For the Preakness.

hope everyone continues to believe they are GOSPEL

[kenwoodallpromos]

It will not come back for the Preakness, because of the low Derby numbers. Old time capping will rule the day and the few left practicing it will clean up!

[Overlay]

It's hard to make any guarantees about predicting a single race, but I think the Beyers are still generally useful as a handicapping tool as long as they're viewed as a probability gauge rather than an absolute indicator of performance; when figure patterns or representative averages are considered rather than just the figure from any one particular race; and when the figures are placed in proper perspective alongside other fundamental handicapping factors, and not considered in isolation as a stand-alone measure.

[Kreed]

Excellent.

[LemonSoupKid]

That guy's article is garbage. The race set up perfectly for a plodder like Giacomo to win, which he deserves some credit for --- but who says that just because of this one race that Beyer's are as bad as he says? Many of the best horses failed to fire, and that's what we don't know about horse racing --- trips and day to day feelings of horses make it difficult to predict. Yeah, and by the way, the top Beyer horse also ended up being injured, Mr. Kerrison.

6 of the last 12 derby's isn't "very reliable?" Come on. I'm not all about Andy, I just like telling it how it is, and those numbers are solid indicators. INDICATORS. I would hardly say that a certain gauge is a failure if one horse (bandini) doesn't do well in a 20 horse race --- something that isn't run too often.

Lemon

[LemonSoupKid]

And if Giacomo wins this one, I'll eat all those words. And I'm fully aware that the unexpected Derby winner is generally underestimated in the Preakness.

[JustMissed]

That's a bit odd that the article critized Beyer for giving Bellamy Road such a high figure and did not mention that most public handicapping services did the very same thing.

I.e., Bris had BR number one in speed last race, back speed, current class & prime power.

Even our very own CJ gave him the highest performance rating at 114 which was 21 points higher than Giacomo. Heck, maybe the writer should also blame CJ for all those millions of dollars lost. What a joke.

Looks like most of these post KD writers couldn't find their ass with both hands, much less analysis a horse race.

JM

[Valuist]

The title of this thread was "will the Beyer numbers make a comeback?" I think it should've been titled "will the horses make a comeback."

The problem wasn't the Beyer number. The problem was the horses who made the low number so worthy.

[garyoz]

The Race of the Week (a freebee) is the Preakness over at www.thorograph.com if you want to see some serious figures.

[creatureman]

U guys know that i assume

[Speed Figure]

Originally Posted by garyoz

The Race of the Week (a freebee) is the Preakness over at www.thorograph.com if you want to see some serious figures.

Not to be funny, but what's so serious about them?

[garyoz]

Originally Posted by Speed Figure

Not to be funny, but what's so serious about them?

They aren't Beyers. Plus the usual, handtimed, trip adjusted, weight adjusted, wind adjusted and just generally more thought put into them. Obviously, IMHO.

[Skanoochies]

I suppose if Giacomo wins again we`ll get "The Race of the Weak!"

[headhawg]

Originally Posted by garyoz

They aren't Beyers. Plus the usual, handtimed, trip adjusted, weight adjusted, wind adjusted and just generally more thought put into them. Obviously, IMHO.

But don't include pace. Hmmm.....