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Old 04-23-2020, 03:17 PM   #1
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Virtual Kentucky Derby for the Triple Crown winners

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses...-in-may-on-nbc

So who's your pick?

3 hour long event. I wonder what it will be like.
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:44 PM   #2
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Going for an upset with WHIRLAWAY if he is First Time Lasix.

If no raceday meds, I'll take SECRETARIAT-WHIRLAWAY straight exacta.
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Old 04-23-2020, 10:34 PM   #3
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This is gonna be tough. I don't know why I have Secretariat to win.
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Old 04-23-2020, 11:58 PM   #4
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Citation the value in the morning line.
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Will there be virtual hat contests, celebrity interviews and julep making demonstrations?
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Will there be virtual hat contests, celebrity interviews and julep making demonstrations?
Virtual HATS!
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Old 04-25-2020, 05:19 PM   #7
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They drew posts and set an odds line.
BRIS has put together PPs - I think you can get them at HRRN.

Cool idea - live coverage next Saturday on NBC and on HRRN.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:03 AM   #8
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Citation the value in the morning line.


I thought that too - then I looked some stuff up:



yes, on 2nd thought I would have to agree that Secretariat would beat Citation and probably pretty easily
I looked up Citation's time in the Derby and it was 2:05.40
Secretariat's time was 1:59.40

that's a full 6 seconds difference and something that cannot be accounted for by a track variant


then I learned that Citation ran on a sloppy track in the Derby so I looked for more info


Preakness:

Secretariat...............................1:53

Citation...................................202.40




not much chance for Citation unless Secretariat has a bad off day like he once did with an abscessed tooth



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I thought that too - then I looked some stuff up:



yes, on 2nd thought I would have to agree that Secretariat would beat Citation and probably pretty easily
I looked up Citation's time in the Derby and it was 2:05.40
Secretariat's time was 1:59.40

that's a full 6 seconds difference and something that cannot be accounted for by a track variant


then I learned that Citation ran on a sloppy track in the Derby so I looked for more info


Preakness:

Secretariat...............................1:53

Citation...................................202.40




not much chance for Citation unless Secretariat has a bad off day like he once did with an abscessed tooth



https://www.horseracingnation.com/race/1948_Preakness#
if you even trust the timing mechanisms of the 40's.

Secretariet lost 5 times, he wasnt unbeatable. I am sure Citation was better than those 5 other horses. 12/1 versus 1/2.
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While I like Secretariat . Don’t overlook Count Fleet or Seattle Slew.
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if you even trust the timing mechanisms of the 40's.

Secretariet lost 5 times, he wasnt unbeatable. I am sure Citation was better than those 5 other horses. 12/1 versus 1/2.
At the bottom are Count Fleet and Gallant Fox.

Count Fleet worked 6f in 1:08+ as a 2yo and set a world record when he won the Champagne which wasn't topped until a quarter of a century later. Even after that, only such greats as Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, Easy Goer, and Sea Hero have won the Champagne anywhere near his final time (1:34 4/5). Monster horse, set a stakes record in the Belmont too, which he won by 25 lengths.

Gallant Fox would have been the only Quintuple Crown winner if he wasn't the victim of the second most famous upset in racing in the Travers (Jim Dandy beat him). Coincidentally, he got caught in a speed duel just like American Pharoah by the runner-up in the Belmont, setting up for an late-running upstart. Gallant Fox also took the Lawrence Realization in NY which was created as an American answer to England's Triple Crown race, the St. Leger. He won that in record time. Gallant Fox also came back to beat older horses in both the Saratoga Cup and Jockey Club Gold Cup for good measure. He also sired another Triple Crown winner, Omaha, in his first crop as a stallion, which numbered just 18 foals.

Omaha, himself another longshot on the board, had only one real hiccup during his 3yo campaign when browbeat by the great Discovery in the Brooklyn (a race Discovery won 3 consecutive times) setting a world record in the process. Omaha buried fellow 3yos the rest of the year. He was sent to England as a 4yo and was just beat in the 20 furlong Ascot Gold Cup, one of the most important races in Europe.
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In reality, trips and jockeys would play a substantial role. I think if Secretariat got a clean tracking trip he would win it. He wouldn't get away with some of the moves he made in real life (last to first on the first turn, that sort of thing) against this kind. Wonder if that will be factored in? Similarly, it's hard to see some of the brilliantly fast horses like a Count Fleet or Seattle Slew not hooking up and wearing each other down.
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Can we let Spectacular Bid into this field so he can prove to everyone where he stands among the all time greats?
He would be a win candidate
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They had to declare him yesterday when he stepped on a safety pin in his barn.
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I'm going to number some marbles and assign each to a Triple Crown winner and roll them down a hill. That will be about as relevant as this will.
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