Questions about Firenze Fire/Jason Servis

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Tom

But not everyone follows NYRA racing everyday, and I bet the majority of the customers had no idea she was the "fill in trainer" for a top-shelf guy on suspension.

This is a problem. You guys on the inside might not think so, but to your customers, it is.

Treat us like customers is all we ask.

I have explained it to our customers every single time she started a horse, as well as in other places.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

3YO Division leaders


1. Justify (may be done due to incentive and injury)
2. Firenze Fire
3. Good Magic
4.

No way should Firenze Fire be ranked ahead of Good Magic.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Valuist

No way should Firenze Fire be ranked ahead of Good Magic.

Maybe not on their body of work, but Good Magic has never run as big as FF's Dwyer.

Of course, it should be clear that I am skeptical about the huge move up, and FF may (or may not) stick to 1-turn races going forward.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Valuist

No way should Firenze Fire be ranked ahead of Good Magic.

Justify would have lost badly to Firezne Fire had he been in that race.

[Andy Asaro]

http://www.drf.com/news/flurry-late-...e-dwyer-stakes

Excerpt:

ELMONT, N.Y. – Twenty-one large individual win bets totaling $124,109 were placed on Firenze Fire in the last 28 seconds of wagering, prompting his odds to plummet from 5-1 to 5-2 in Saturday’s Grade 3 Dwyer, a race he won.

According to information provided by the New York Racing Association, there was one individual wager of $24,055, another of $11,596, one of $8,500, and a dozen of $5,000 made in the last 28 seconds before post. Other wagers ranged from $547 to $4,355.

Though NYRA would not supply information on where the wagers were made, it is believed that all came in via computer.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Grits..When i was an asst. in NY and my trainer was suspended, i had to go to racing commission and upgrade to trainer along with proof of workers comp. When my trainers suspension was up, i then had to move my license back to asst. as the rules were that two licensed trainers could not work together under the same barn. I am sure that is what Leanna will be required to do. Plus i doubt she put up the money for the workers comp...

OBox, thank you for replying and you, too, Jay. ...Workman's Comp is killer--price wise.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Grits

Here's a question for you, Jay, and it is clear what the rule states. No doubt.

How do you know that Leanna Williford DOES NOT have her trainer's license?

Give it some thought. She has been doing this for over 20 years. Maybe, I'm wrong, but not all trainers especially females want to venture out on their own. Some are quite comfortable where they are.

What does this have to do with anything?

The point is that Mott was suspended yet his barn continued normal operation. Now, to most people, they don’t see that as much of a punishment, instead it looks more like a vacation.

I thought NYRA was smarter than this.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Justify would have lost badly to Firezne Fire had he been in that race.

Body of work trumps one outlier figure.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

What does this have to do with anything?

The point is that Mott was suspended yet his barn continued normal operation. Now, to most people, they don’t see that as much of a punishment, instead it looks more like a vacation.

I thought NYRA was smarter than this.

Quite possibly a lot. Given that the trainer and the assistant worked within the rules. Fager, I'm not going at it with you tonight. I don't feel like it. Nothing here, move on to someone else. Please.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Justify would have lost badly to Firezne Fire had he been in that race.

If Justify is not retired he is very likely to run faster speed figures when he returns..

The pace of the Derby was very fast and all the chasers other than Good Magic collapsed.

The pace of the Preakness wasn't as fast, but it was very competitive and got pretty hot in the middle against another high quality 3yo.

I personally think the Belmont Beyer was a few points light, but even if not, 12F doesn't tell us much.

I think his entire Triple Crown series is a bit better than it looks. He's also going to benefit from the rest and development process that FF just went through. I'd really like to see him come back just to see if can make a solid jump. I'd have to think he can handle a horse like the improved Firenze Fire (who got a nice setup Saturday).

[Tom]

Originally Posted by the little guy

I have explained it to our customers every single time she started a horse, as well as in other places.

Yes, but not all of them watch your show.
You have a website with scratches, changes, etc.
It would seem this would be a change.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by the little guy

I have explained it to our customers every single time she started a horse, as well as in other places.

All 10 times since 2002? Hope that didn't knock you out!

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Grits

Quite possibly a lot. Given that the trainer and the assistant worked within the rules. Fager, I'm not going at it with you tonight. I don't feel like it. Nothing here, move on to someone else. Please.

Don't tell me there's nothing here. Get over yourself. This has been a quite common complaint in racing, and for some reason a few of you are defending it this time. Maybe because it's Mott and a woman assistant instead of someone less liked. The fact is that there are jurisdictions that don't allow this, and I thought NYRA was one of them and shocked to find out they aren't.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Don't tell me there's nothing here. Get over yourself. This has been a quite common complaint in racing, and for some reason a few of you are defending it this time. Maybe because it's Mott and a woman assistant instead of someone less liked. The fact is that there are jurisdictions that don't allow this, and I thought NYRA was one of them and shocked to find out they aren't.

Carry it some freaking where else, Fager. Dammit, you can be the biggest pain in the ***. I asked you, nicely. I said, please!!! My sister in law's brother is dying, on life support in Duke Hospital tonight where he's battled leukemia for months. His body is shutting down, rejecting his bone marrow transplant. I'm really concerned as this family has been dear to me for decades.

Get over myself????? Shove it sideways, Fager.

[Tom]

Good thoughts, GRITS, and prayers to you and your family.