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06-25-2018, 02:02 PM
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I mostly deal with Equibase and they do the best they can to get the data fixed. I've not had much luck with tracks or racing commissions.
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Do you charge Equibase a consultation fee?
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06-25-2018, 04:30 PM
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#92
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Do you charge Equibase a consultation fee?
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He's lucky they don't charge him a fee
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06-26-2018, 07:00 AM
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#93
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We all owe a debt to people like Andy Beyer and Craig Milkowski who have stepped up to the plate and pushed this big, bulky hump of a game along, and who continually keep an eye on it to protect their customers. There is no way we would be able to be playing 20-30-40 races a day at 5-6-7- tracks, over multiple surfaces is all we had was the DRF SR+TV like we used to have without speed figures.
I feel particularly fortunate that we got to follow CJ's development right here on PA and on his own PF site. Seeing all the work that goes into the process make you appreciate it all the more. When some internet troll comes along and throw around false accusations about the integrity of theses guys, I can only think he is lucky we are not in the tent at Toga.
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Good points, Tom. I did speed figures (for myself and the public) for about ten years and it's a lot of work to do them manually, but computer generated figures aren't as good. Beyer and his staff at DRF and CJ with TIMEFORM do a great job.
Last edited by cj; 06-26-2018 at 09:51 AM.
Reason: Fix Quote display
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06-26-2018, 09:35 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Credit to you, too, Pandy, for you figs for Aqueduct at the time!
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06-26-2018, 11:24 AM
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If your using speed figures good luck trying to beat this game !
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06-26-2018, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dansan
If your using speed figures good luck trying to beat this game !
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What does "using" mean in this context? Are you saying they should be ignored altogether?
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06-26-2018, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dansan
If your using speed figures good luck trying to beat this game !
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Good luck trying to beat it if you're not.
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06-26-2018, 12:13 PM
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#98
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Piece of cake little one
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06-26-2018, 12:21 PM
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Piece of cake little one
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In my experience, all the successful horseplayers I have known knew the difference between your and you're. Maybe that's just me.
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06-26-2018, 12:26 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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It's always the figures, never the guy who has no clue how to use them.
Even when MANY other use them successfully.
Guess it would be too hard to admit you're not smart enough to understand them.
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06-26-2018, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
In my experience, all the successful horseplayers I have known knew the difference between your and you're. Maybe that's just me.
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True but they get lost when they can't distinguish a 69 from getting 86'd! The light bulb on most don't cover that wattage! 
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06-26-2018, 01:33 PM
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Out-of-town Jasper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansan
If your using speed figures good luck trying to beat this game !
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Piece of cake dansan.
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06-26-2018, 01:38 PM
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#103
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Originally Posted by dansan
If your using speed figures good luck trying to beat this game !
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Here's a book with 50 winning systems...and NONE of them rely on speed figures.
https://www.amazon.com/Treasury-Amer...40_&dpSrc=srch
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06-26-2018, 01:44 PM
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Here's what successful players actually don't do....ignore relevant factors that can be at least reasonably evaluated, whatever they may be.
They also don't go on message boards and dismiss proven methods of assessing horse's relative talents. That's not to say that people don't have different ways of coming to conclusions, as there are many roads to success, but dismissing variables that are proven to be important is not one of those avenues.
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06-26-2018, 01:48 PM
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#105
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Would anyone ever suggest ignoring the "figures" when comparing the performance of HUMAN athletes?
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