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06-06-2018, 12:33 PM
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#136
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Originally Posted by hcap
The children getting separated are primarily refugees fleeing horrendous conditions in south and central America. Are they all criminals?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/cont...-horrific.html
...Many border-crossers are fleeing gang violence in countries with the world’s highest rates of murdered children. The administration is hoping desperate parents would rather take their chances at home than subject their children to the U.S. process.
As White House Chief of Staff John Kelly noted in a radio interview, taking people’s children away — to be “put into foster care or whatever” — is a “tough deterrent.” Or as Sessions said: “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally.”
Earlier, the administration had tried to suggest that this policy was motivated by altruism. The adults that these children are weeping for might not be their real parents. And by discouraging them from attempting the border crossing, this policy will save migrants’ lives.
So not only are refuigees all animals Trump and Sessions are really altruists
Just like PA off topic Trumpeteers?
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I guess they haven't heard about all the violence in this country by bible-clingin', gun-totin' right wingers, heh?
They'd by far better off being sent off to Europetopia. Lot less violence over there.
And, yes, Trump and Sessions are altruists. It's better that the kids don't spend time in jail with their parents. And besides....Government knows best how to take care of kiddies. Big Gov believes parents are dumber than rocks, so it takes a village and all that good stuff.
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06-07-2018, 06:12 PM
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#137
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So, you advocate for the kids getting tossed into the same jail cell as their law-breaking parents? I don't believe any of our prisons have maternity wards, or child care facilities on premise.
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I advocate telling everyone the books are closed until we get a merit based system, no exceptions and shut down. Of course can't do that because every piece of tin foil would sell out in one day country wide.
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06-07-2018, 10:04 PM
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It happens to Americans too.
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
Parents and children who are crossing the border and requesting asylum (not trying to sneak in) are being separated as a punishment for doing so, and to serve as a deterrent. You know, the "American Way".
Also, there is no law requiring kids to be stripped from their parents. It's purely punitive.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1000403709237583872
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When an American commits a crime he goes to jail and is separated from his children. Why should illegals be afforded special treatment? Hmmm?
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06-08-2018, 03:03 PM
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Also, there is no law requiring kids to be stripped from their parents. It's purely punitive.
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OK, put in jail with the parents.
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06-12-2018, 02:02 PM
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#140
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
We should probably step up our efforts though, just so I'm not called out again here for having the gall to support law and human rights.
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Except you don't support the law. Clearly. Even when Obama was president (he didn't support the law either, so you were in good company I guess).
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06-12-2018, 02:09 PM
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PA Steward
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BTW, in case anyone didn't realize it by now, hcap has officially lost it. He's got Trump so deeply embedded inside of him, he's growing hair again, only this time, it's orange.
I guess there's a silver lining to everything.
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06-12-2018, 05:14 PM
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More delusional, dishonest bullshit from the inhuman preacher of hate.
Trump administration to step up family separation at the border
05/07/2018
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-border-519220
The Trump administration will more frequently separate families at the southwest border under a new policy announced Monday.
The Homeland Security Department will refer “100 percent of illegal southwest border crossings“ to the Justice Department for prosecution under a federal statute that prohibits illegal entry, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday.
....The new DHS policy follows an April announcement by Sessions that calls for U.S. attorney’s offices along the southwest border to prosecute cases of suspected illegal entry “to the extent practicable.” Nielsen’s coordinated measure will likely mean a broader pool of people caught at the border will face criminal charges — including parents who arrive with their children.
And....Colin Powell warned colleagues about how the U.S. would be forced to spend years fixing Iraq if it invaded, citing what he called the “Pottery Barn Rule”: You break it, you own it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...es-now/562097/
Trump Can’t Disown His Immigration Policies Now
Having successfully positioned himself as the avatar of hardline immigration enforcement, he now wishes to distance himself from a directive that results in children being separated from parents.
...He aggressively and successively made hardline immigration policy synonymous with himself, but with a growing uproar over the separation of children from parents apprehended crossing the border, he is now wishing to distance himself from the policy.
....He aggressively and successively made hardline immigration policy synonymous with himself, but with a growing uproar over the separation of children from parents apprehended crossing the border, he is now wishing to distance himself from the policy.
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This is not the first time this has happened. The fight over how to handle “Dreamers,” unauthorized immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, has played out similarly. It’s probably not a coincidence that both of these cases involve children, a peculiar soft spot for an otherwise indifferent president. The problem is that thanks to his eagerness to claim credit for any changes in immigration enforcement, both those he earned and others that preceded him, it is hard for him to create any real separation.
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Of course, the Trump Admin. will more frequently separate families since, unlike Obama, Trump will much more frequently enforce the LAWS on the books that Dems passed. Obama was a scofflaw. Trump not so much.
If you don't like the laws, write your congress critter. You're boring me to death with your phony, fake crocodile tears.
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06-12-2018, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
Of course, the Trump Admin. will more frequently separate families since, unlike Obama, Trump will much more frequently enforce the LAWS on the books that Dems passed. Obama was a scofflaw. Trump not so much.
If you don't like the laws, write your congress critter. You're boring me to death with your phony, fake crocodile tears.
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You sure don't read too swell. Obama et al did not institute this.
My post.....
.......The new DHS policy follows an April announcement by Sessions that calls for U.S. attorney’s offices along the southwest border to prosecute cases of suspected illegal entry “to the extent practicable.
Independent source.
Fact Checker Analysis
Fact-checking immigration spin on separating families and 1,500 ‘lost’ children
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.28f65371c99b
Trump blames Democrats for a law that separates undocumented immigrant children from their families. Some Democrats blame Trump’s administration for losing track of nearly 1,500 immigrant kids.
None of this is accurate.
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06-12-2018, 06:38 PM
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I love the fact the whole liberal world went nuts over that picture of "children in cages" because they thought it was a recent photo...when they find out it's from 2014/Obama, they don't know what to do with themselves.
Where was this photo four years ago? Where was the outrage at Obama on this board from those who are faux-outraging over Trump, yet again?
Hell, where is the outrage NOW over the pic, now that we know it's from 2014/Obama?
There is none from the left here?
Total shock.
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06-12-2018, 06:42 PM
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Hell, where is the outrage NOW over the pic, now that we know it's from 2014/Obama?
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First of all....
Secondly, it just goes to show that Trump did NOT start this, and that it has been going on for several years, so the outcome is WELL KNOWN by those who chose to come here after being told not to.
But hcap, I will give you this.....it DID look warmer than usual in that film.
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06-15-2018, 02:57 AM
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Stephen Colbert spent a portion of his Thursday show offering an incensed rebuke to reports that President Donald Trump’s administration is separating immigrant parents from their children in an effort to deter individuals from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally.
The Trump administration has started separating families as a matter of policy by criminally prosecuting undocumented adults found crossing the border. If children are with the adults, the children are then separated and taken into government custody or foster care.
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06-15-2018, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Stephen Colbert spent a portion of his Thursday show offering an incensed rebuke to reports that President Donald Trump’s administration is separating immigrant parents from their children in an effort to deter individuals from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally.
The Trump administration has started separating families as a matter of policy by criminally prosecuting undocumented adults found crossing the border. If children are with the adults, the children are then separated and taken into government custody or foster care.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses...34644084568065
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How pathetic are you that you keep quoting a comedian? I guess that is better than you posting cartoons.
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06-15-2018, 06:36 AM
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It'd be more useful to see what that non-funny guy thinks about the Strzok and Page texts than this distracting made-up emotionalism about an issue that is not new.
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06-15-2018, 07:04 AM
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Liberals have all their junk science models of what the USA would look like with up to 75 feet of sea level rise, why don't they have any of what the USA would look like with their desired open border and the welcome mat laid out for the over 500 million people living in shit hole countries south of us?
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06-15-2018, 08:49 AM
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Stephen Colbert spent a portion of his Thursday show offering an incensed rebuke to reports that President Donald Trump’s administration is separating immigrant parents from their children in an effort to deter individuals from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally.
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Rebuked by Stephen Colbert?
1. Democrats started it.
2. The law needs to be changed.
3. Trump is ready to negotiate.
4. Dems refuse.
Run along now, we have enough fake news already.
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