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02-23-2018, 02:26 AM
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The orbits of planets according to Einstein, show where the planet was and will be. according to the curvature of space time.
The planet is not needed to be in all orbit positions and indeed no matter is needed in those positions to "see" that empty space is curved.
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02-23-2018, 09:44 AM
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The orbits of planets according to Einstein, show where the planet was and will be. according to the curvature of space time.
The planet is not needed to be in all orbit positions and indeed no matter is needed in those positions to "see" that empty space is curved.
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And if no planets are needed, including the one Einstein was sitting on, what would he be able to us about empty space? Or time, for that matter? 
FYI: We live in a physical universe. We cannot measure or make any predictions about things that do not touch any of our senses.
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02-23-2018, 09:52 AM
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Yup! That's it. Everything you need to know about life, the universe and everything. The answer is, of course, 42.
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Would that be your IQ level? Or how many cards you're missing in your deck? Or how many stories short your elevator is from reaching the top floor? Or all the above?
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02-23-2018, 09:57 AM
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Boxcar said Radiation is another form of matter but boxcar does not recognize it as matter. (E=MC^2). Various kinds of radiation of certain wavelengths can not be seen by the naked eye. If boxcar did accept electromagnetic phenomena of all sorts, would have to accept Einstein and he then might have to consider the curvature of space-time, and that a good portion of the universe is curved without the presence of local "matter"
And as I have posted a number of times "virtual particles", on the quantum level pop in and out of existence.
"Virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested"....Gordon Kane, director of the Michigan Center for Theoretical Physics at the University of Michigan .
Evidence....
If boxcar did accept virtual particles he might have to consider the universe is still being created and annihilated way past the biblical 7 day timeline
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Can there be any radiation without Matter?
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02-23-2018, 02:33 PM
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Can there be any radiation without Matter? |
You are to science what atheists are to God. Because you don't see it or know it, it doesn't exist.
In the spiritual realm, love and light are constantly being radiated. No matter exists there.
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02-23-2018, 02:48 PM
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Can there be any radiation without Matter?
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Yes. At the moment of the Big Bang the universe was filled with radiation, i.e., photons, and there was no matter.
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02-23-2018, 02:54 PM
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You are to science what atheists are to God. Because you don't see it or know it, it doesn't exist.
In the spiritual realm, love and light are constantly being radiated. No matter exists there.
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Try to keep up, Lightness. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're weren't talking about the spiritual realm. We're talking about the Physical realm. And in this realm, there is no radiation apart from Matter.
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02-23-2018, 02:59 PM
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Yes. At the moment of the Big Bang the universe was filled with radiation, i.e., photons, and there was no matter.
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That's speculation, that's number one.
Secondly, a photon is a particle. And a particle is a minute portion of Matter.
You truly are working hard to get into that Science Hall of Shame, aren't you?
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02-23-2018, 03:17 PM
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That's speculation, that's number one.
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No, it's not.
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Secondly, a photon is a particle. And a particle is a minute portion of Matter.
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Particles are waves. And waves are particles. That's Quantum Physics.
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02-23-2018, 03:26 PM
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No, it's not.
Particles are waves. And waves are particles. That's Quantum Physics.
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And neither would exist apart from Matter.
Physics.
one of the extremely small constituents of matter, as an atom or nucleus.
an elementary particle, quark, or gluon.
a body in which the internal motion is negligible.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/particle
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02-23-2018, 03:28 PM
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No, it's not.
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Yeah, it is. Many scientists don't buy into it. And don't ask me to "prove" it. We've had this discussion previously. Goggle it if you don't believe me.
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02-23-2018, 03:34 PM
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Try to keep up, Lightness. You're comparing apples to oranges. We're weren't talking about the spiritual realm. We're talking about the Physical realm. And in this realm, there is no radiation apart from Matter. |
There is no difference between the physical and the spiritual realms. The realms are separated by energy disguised in one form or another. By a higher or lower "frequency". You cannot see higher frequencies. That's why God is invisible. Also only 5% of our universe is visible according to science. So I am not comparing apple to oranges. Remember Einstein's quote "energy cannot be created nor destroyed". In other words, energy is constant but changes form.
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02-23-2018, 03:58 PM
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Yeah, it is. Many scientists don't buy into it.
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I'm a scientist and I'm not one of them.
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02-23-2018, 04:00 PM
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And neither would exist apart from Matter.
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Define matter.
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02-23-2018, 04:22 PM
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Define matter.
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If that's of matter to you, define define.
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