Polar Bear Expert's Opinions "Unhelpful" to GW

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Why worry about GW, or environmental pollution...when overpopulation looms the more immediate danger to our survival?

Most intelligent response in this entire thread.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Most intelligent response in this entire thread.

And to add, why the hell worry about global warming or whatever it's called now when Trump's going to destroy the world. Seems rather trivial to worry about the climate. Unless .....

[hcap]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I have nothing against Hawking, but have always thought the above statement was true. He's extremely intelligent and creative, but he's no Einstein, whose theories have stood the test of considerable time.

He has scored well on some lists.

Nobel Prize William Cropper's listing from his 2001 book Great Physicists: the Life an
Lists him highly among 20th-21 century physicists.(Numbers to the right are votes
Albert Einstein 80.90
2. Isaac Newton 77.42
3. Galileo Galilei 59.62
4. Marie Curie 33.34
5. Stephen Hawking 28.03
6. Michael Faraday 27.15
7. Niels Bohr 25.73
8. Werner Heisenberg 16.78
9. John Napier 10.53
10. Enrico Fermi 9.20

No Einstein yes but heads and tails above former television meteorologist and current radio meteorologist Anthony Watts

[hcap]

Originally Posted by hcap

Name one physical process other than those on the probabilistic quantum level where cause may precede effect? There are none. Zero, Nada, Zilch.

0.0.0.0

Originally Posted by Bollixedupcar

I've done this along time ago in the original Religion thread when I discussed Thomistic-Aristotleian Realism -- and even more specifically with the Hand, Stick and Stone illustration I borrowed from Dr. Feser. Try to keep up.

This is not a Religious thread. Speak science

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Speaking of Stephen Hawking, how the hell is this guy still alive?

That's the most astonishing thing about Hawking that nobody really talks about.

Off the topic of the thread, but a good question. There is speculation, in those dark corners of the web where few dare go, that Hawking has been replaced once or twice, rather than living far, far longer than expected for anyone with his form of ALS.

Check with your local Illuminati or Freemason spokesperson for the real scoop.

As for global warming, we got bigger problems - like Thask says, overpopulation for one. Which, could be described as a symptom of "overshoot", the out-of-control and rampant use of fossil fuels, rare metals and other natural resources (like fresh water) to support a consumption based, high energy lifestyle that's promoted overpopulation, pollution, wars (good for profits), and concentration of wealth in the slim minority of puppet-masters. This in turn has allowed the puppet-masters to control the media, the arts, the politicians, etc, creating an endless series of rackets even in the traditionally helpful areas of health care and education. As Jim Kunstler would say, we live in an era "where everything goes, and nothing matters". His essay from last month in the American Conservative sums it up pretty accurately, for those who are not as cynical as myself, and think politics actually still matters:

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...kafkas-castle/

Ah, if global warming and a tipping point were only true. If the earth burned to a crisp, it would at least put an end to these threads, and wouldn't that be nice?

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

He has scored well on some lists.

Nobel Prize William Cropper's listing from his 2001 book Great Physicists: the Life an
Lists him highly among 20th-21 century physicists.(Numbers to the right are votes
Albert Einstein 80.90
2. Isaac Newton 77.42
3. Galileo Galilei 59.62
4. Marie Curie 33.34
5. Stephen Hawking 28.03
6. Michael Faraday 27.15
7. Niels Bohr 25.73
8. Werner Heisenberg 16.78
9. John Napier 10.53
10. Enrico Fermi 9.20

No Einstein yes but heads and tails above former television meteorologist and current radio meteorologist Anthony Watts

What makes a physicist more of an expert on climate than say a ex-vice president or an actor?

[Tom]

So what has Hawking contributed that has helped people's lives get better, other than Sheldon's.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Tom

So what has Hawking contributed that has helped people's lives get better, other than Sheldon's.

Exactly. I looked at Cappy's list and the only one that didn't significantly change our view of the universe and our place in it is Hawking. He comes across as s much more intelligent form of Carl Sagsn.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by hcap

He has scored well on some lists.

Nobel Prize William Cropper's listing from his 2001 book Great Physicists: the Life an
Lists him highly among 20th-21 century physicists.(Numbers to the right are votes
Albert Einstein 80.90
2. Isaac Newton 77.42
3. Galileo Galilei 59.62
4. Marie Curie 33.34
5. Stephen Hawking 28.03
6. Michael Faraday 27.15
7. Niels Bohr 25.73
8. Werner Heisenberg 16.78
9. John Napier 10.53
10. Enrico Fermi 9.20

No Einstein yes but heads and tails above former television meteorologist and current radio meteorologist Anthony Watts

Nice post. I don't have much issue with the rankings. I personally would have put Watts at 10, but won't quibble with his #12 ranking.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

This is not a Religious thread. Speak science

Logic trumps science. Feser's argument and illustration is a philosophical one.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Tom

So what has Hawking contributed that has helped people's lives get better, other than Sheldon's.

I tried to give you reputation for the laugh, but it wouldn't let me.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Logic trumps science. Feser's argument and illustration is a philosophical one.

Climate science is not a philosophical study except if you are trying to find fault as all you PA amateurish climatologists are doing. The ridiculous anti-liberal anti-science, anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-mainstream medis bonkers philosophy that is

Don't know Feser or do I care to know. However what.does he say about before being always!!! before after?

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by hcap

This is not a Religious thread. Speak science

Theoretical physics shares a lot of similarity to religion whether you want to ignore it or not. It all requires faith to believe in it.
Hawking radiation and black holes have not been proven to exist or not exist. Which is similar to the concept of heaven and God, why do you fail to understand that?

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by hcap

Climate science is not a philosophical study except if you are trying to find fault as all you PA amateurish climatologists are doing. The ridiculous anti-liberal anti-science, anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-mainstream medis bonkers philosophy that is

Don't know Feser or do I care to know. However what.does he say about before being always!!! before after?

You still have offered not offered an explanation why the predicted ice age that was all the rage in the 70's did not show up. No one is arguing that the average temperature hasn't ticked up a little over the last couple centuries. We just don't believe the sky is falling and all of Florida will be underwater by the year 2100.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Climate science is not a philosophical study except if you are trying to find fault as all you PA amateurish climatologists are doing. The ridiculous anti-liberal anti-science, anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-mainstream medis bonkers philosophy that is

Don't know Feser or do I care to know. However what.does he say about before being always!!! before after?

But why do you care to know this?

And Feser's Hand, Stick and Stone illustration had nothing to do with climate change -- but with cause and effect.