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View Poll Results: Should prostitution be legal nationwide in the U.S.?
Yes. Prostitution should be legal. 50 45.05%
No. Prostitution should be illegal. 61 54.95%
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Old 08-29-2018, 08:00 AM   #46
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Two things that seem odd to me about our prostitution laws, 1). If a woman can have an abortion because "it's her body and she can do what she wants with it', then why isn't she allowed to sell her body for sex?

2). How is prostitution illegal and pornography legal? In porn, woman are having sex with total strangers for money. The only difference between porn and prostitution is the camera.

I find it all puzzling.
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Two things that seem odd to me about our prostitution laws, 1). If a woman can have an abortion because "it's her body and she can do what she wants with it', then why isn't she allowed to sell her body for sex?

2). How is prostitution illegal and pornography legal? In porn, woman are having sex with total strangers for money. The only difference between porn and prostitution is the camera.

I find it all puzzling.

Good points I always thought of #2, but #1 never popped into my mind. As for #2, could just filming the act get you out of a prostitution charge? No one can prove that it wasn't your first venture into adult film making.
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Good points I always thought of #2, but #1 never popped into my mind. As for #2, could just filming the act get you out of a prostitution charge? No one can prove that it wasn't your first venture into adult film making.

That's what I always wondered, why wouldn't a prostitute just keep a camera handy?
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:11 PM   #49
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That's what I always wondered, why wouldn't a prostitute just keep a camera handy?
In L.A., I believe the actors have to be registered and the industry is regulated.

I suppose you could register as an actor and also produce the films. Then you could pay the talent their day rate for having sex with you on camera, but then never release the film.

How much does a non-star actor charge for an hour of filming -- $500 to $1,000? That's probably in the ball park of what it costs to hire a prostitute?

So what's the difference between a porn actor and a prostitute?

What's the difference between a producer, a talent agent, and a pimp?
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:26 PM   #50
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Two things that seem odd to me about our prostitution laws, 1). If a woman can have an abortion because "it's her body and she can do what she wants with it', then why isn't she allowed to sell her body for sex?

2). How is prostitution illegal and pornography legal? In porn, woman are having sex with total strangers for money. The only difference between porn and prostitution is the camera.

I find it all puzzling.
Pornography is "expression" and is protected by the first amendment.

I'm not so sure that pornography is 100% legal. One of the SCOTUS tests was the "contemporary community standards" test, i.e., in Las Vegas it's art; in Cleveland it's obscene. Did SCOTUS ever flip on that?
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:40 PM   #51
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Pornography is "expression" and is protected by the first amendment.

I'm not so sure that pornography is 100% legal. One of the SCOTUS tests was the "contemporary community standards" test, i.e., in Las Vegas it's art; in Cleveland it's obscene. Did SCOTUS ever flip on that?
I get your point, but not sure Cleveland is the best city to use to compare sexual views to Vegas. Cleveland is the home of Rock and Roll.

Comparing the sexual views between Dearborn and Vegas might be better since Dearborn has a large muslim population.

Speaking of the First Amendment:

In this video you can see muslim from Dearborn stoning Christians at around the 9 minute mark. Disappointing in a country that is supposed to allow freedom of religion. I wonder if they would have been even more outraged if porn actors were demonstrating? What's more offensive to them -- porn demonstrators or non-muslim religious demonstrators? :

https://clarionproject.org/american-...n-michigan-36/


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How much does a non-star actor charge for an hour of filming -- $500 to $1,000? That's probably in the ball park of what it costs to hire a prostitute?
The Screen Actor's Guild has a lot of clout in Hollywood. An extra gets something like (I'm guessing) $1000 per shooting day. It works something like this.

The producer enters into a contract with the Guild. That contract specifies the number of shooting days, let's say 100 days. Scene 12 and scene 23 needs one extra. Those two scenes are shot over a five day period. So the extra gets 5 x $1000 = $5000. Right?

No. The master contract for the picture specifies 100 shooting days. So Mr. Extra gets $1000 per shooting day for 100 shooting days = $100,000 whether he has his ass in front of the camera or not, provided he makes all his calls ("We will need you today so be there by 7:00 a.m.")

Now you know why it costs $300,000,000 to make a movie.
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I get your point, but not sure Cleveland is the best city to use to compare sexual views to Vegas. Cleveland is the home of Rock and Roll.
Right. I just picked a city at random. How about Tulsa, Oklahoma, home of Oral Roberts University?
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Right. I just picked a city at random. How about Tulsa, Oklahoma, home of Oral Roberts University?
OK. That works.
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That's what I always wondered, why wouldn't a prostitute just keep a camera handy?
A camera is also great for blackmail, but both good points.
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A camera is also great for blackmail, but both good points.
Never thought about that. Good thing I don't use hookers! How embarrassing would that be? YIKES!

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The difference between sex you pay for and sex you don't pay for is that sex you don't pay for costs more.
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The difference between sex you pay for and sex you don't pay for is that sex you don't pay for costs more.
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Old 08-29-2018, 11:18 PM   #59
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I think it would be interesting to ask if:

A. The prostitutes themselves want it legal
B. Their Pimps want it legal
C. Their clients want it legal
D. The Public wants it legal
E. The government wants it legal
F. Lawyers want it legal
G. Health care professionals want it legal

Here’s my take:
A. yes, better pay, working conditions and more benefits
B. No, pushed out by big business
C. Yes, no arrests or fines, less disease
D. No, thinks it’s bad public policy
E. Yes, more revenue, more control
F. No, less legal troubles means less income for them
G. Yes, more transparent opportunity to provide care

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Old 08-29-2018, 11:25 PM   #60
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I think it would be interesting to ask if:

A. The prostitutes themselves want it legal
B. Their Johns want it legal
C. Their clients want it legal
D. The Public wants it legal
E. The government wants it legal
F. Lawyers want it legal
G. Health care professionals want it legal

Here’s my take:
A. Unsure, maybe yes, less pay but more benefits
B. No, pushed out by big business
C. Yes, no arrests or fines
D. No, thinks it’s bad public policy
E. No, less revenue, less control
F. No, less legal troubles means less income for them
G. Yes, more transparent opportunity to provide care
I don't understand your answer to B. Do you mean Pimps rather than Johns?

I would think E. is true. Gov wants it legal for the tax revenue and more control over how it is administered. Legalizing it creates another layer of bureaucracy which means a larger department and more power for the head of the department which means a larger budget and higher pay.
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