Religion III

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

None of your sites provide substantial archaeological evidence. You know like ruins, tablets and pottery They primarily try to reconstruct vague historical accounts.

And from your first link.....

The Focal Point of Jewish Worship

The Temple was central to Jewish religious life in a way that is hard to recapture today. Many Jews believed that sin itself could be overcome only by bringing a sin offering in the Temple. Without such forgiveness, the sinner was condemned to alienation from God, which is equivalent to estrangement from valid existence. But the channel of sacrifice was now cut



Only speculation on what was taught. Other than some ancient writings, the literature, stories and myths and oral tradition, the only real clues to what religions are about. All the rest as history, fooling you into believing you know what actually happened historically is fodder for confusing the map for the territory. And the real kicker you have absolutely no clue about, is an awakening heart must guide you.

All You Need is Love.

No, more than love is needed. Forgiveness of sins is needed -- per the Law of Moses. It's all in the Law!

And we're not talking "religions". The subject is Old Covenant Judaism -- with which Christianity has everything to do with, since Christ in the New Covenant fulfills the Law and the Prophets, i.e. all the OT!

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

No, more than love is needed. Forgiveness of sins is needed -- per the Law of Moses. It's all in the Law!

And we're not talking "religions". The subject is Old Covenant Judaism -- with which Christianity has everything to do with, since Christ in the New Covenant fulfills the Law and the Prophets, i.e. all the OT!

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

Again with blood? Do you keep leaches as pets for bloodletting?

Did Calvin teach that? Add an "L" to the end of TULIP.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Again with blood? Do you keep leaches as pets for bloodletting?

Did Calvin teach that? Add an "L" to the end of TULIP.

It's all in the Law of Moses: WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD, THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS OF SIN..

[boxcar]

Why does God allow evil?

https://www.gotquestions.org/QOTW.htm

I'd be very curious to find out from you unbelievers just which option in the article would you have God choose to combat evil.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

It's all in the Law of Moses: WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD, THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS OF SIN..

As I told you, shove your blood sacfices in Leviticus where the sun don't shine.

This is ancient tribal bullshit no Jew takes seriously.
And not too many Christians except you

"The Burnt-Offering

1The Lord summoned Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying: 2Speak to the people of Israel and say to them: When any of you bring an offering of livestock to the Lord, you shall bring your offering from the herd or from the flock."
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So box do you do Burnt-Offerings? How often?
Does Calvin recommend blood sacrifices?

Hows about witches?

Leviticus 20:27 (ASV) A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.



You have got to be kidding bunky. And I do mean BUINKy

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

As I told you, shove your blood sacfices in Leviticus where the sun don't shine.

This is ancient tribal bullshit no Jew takes seriously.
And not too many Christians except you

"The Burnt-Offering

1The Lord summoned Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying: 2Speak to the people of Israel and say to them: When any of you bring an offering of livestock to the Lord, you shall bring your offering from the herd or from the flock."
.................................................. ...
So box do you do Burnt-Offerings? How often?
Does Calvin recommend blood sacrifices?

Hows about witches?

Leviticus 20:27 (ASV) A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.



You have got to be kidding bunky. And I do mean BUINKy

No, It's the Law of Moses! Since Jews reject their Messiah as the once-for-all sacrificial Lamb of God substitute, then they are bound by their Law! No blood atonement for personal sin, then only eternal destruction awaits the apostate.

And why do you insist of making an asinine fool of yourself by asking such stupid questions as to what Calvin recommends. But since you asked, I'll tell you what he recommends: Repentance for you sins and faith in the atoning work of the Jewish Messiah.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

No, It's the Law of Moses! Since Jews reject their Messiah as the once-for-all sacrificial Lamb of God substitute, then they are bound by their Law! No blood atonement for personal sin, then only eternal destruction awaits the apostate.

And why do you insist of making an asinine fool of yourself by asking such stupid questions as to what Calvin recommends. But since you asked, I'll tell you what he recommends: Repentance for you sins and faith in the atoning work of the Jewish Messiah.

Please don't tell me your moronic literal minded biblical bullshit, as what Jews should believe, or should not believe. Bad enough you try to pass it off as Christianity.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Please don't tell me your moronic literal minded biblical bullshit, as what Jews should believe, or should not believe. Bad enough you try to pass it off as Christianity.

Have it your way, Mr. Self Righteous. But remember it is written in your Law:

James 2:9-11
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
NIV

James is doubtlessly alluding to Deut 27:26.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Have it your way, Mr. Self Righteous. But remember it is written in your Law:

James 2:9-11
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
NIV

James is doubtlessly alluding to Deut 27:26.

"Blood sacrifices" having anything to do with religion is your latest attempt to make us roll on the floor, doubled over, laughing at you.

Instead of Leviticus, try Ecclesiastes.

14 I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind.

Stop thinking yourself into endless cycles of vanity, and try directly experiencing glimpses of non-vanity, by meditating. All of your convoluted rabbit holes only lead to more dirt.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

"Blood sacrifices" having anything to do with religion is your latest attempt to make us roll on the floor, doubled over, laughing at you.

Instead of Leviticus, try Ecclesiastes.

14 I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind.

Stop thinking yourself into endless cycles of vanity, and try directly experiencing glimpses of non-vanity, by meditating. All of your convoluted rabbit holes only lead to more dirt.

You are putting your ignorance on public display. ALL the ANE civilizations offered blood sacrifices to their gods as an integral part of their religious worship and rituals.. Israel was no different in this respect, save for the fact that YHWH was the true God whereas the other gods of other nations were not really gods at all. And as the incomparable YHWH, God mandated all the specific details on how he was to be worshiped and how sin would be atoned for through blood sacrifices.

Do some homework online, Mr. Know Nothing, and check out what I just wrote.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

And this makes perfectly good sense given the fact that the penalty of sin is death. Even in the Garden of Eden, it is clearly implied that God slaughtered innocent animals to provide skin coverings for Adam and Eve after they sinned to cover their guilt and shame.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You are putting your ignorance on public dispy. ALL the ANE civilizations offered blood sacrifices to their gods as an integral part of their religious worship and rituals.. Israel was no different in this respect, save for the fact that YHWH was the true God whereas the other gods of other nations were not really gods at all. And as the incomparable YHWH, God mandated all the specific details on how he was to be worshiped and how sin would be atoned for through blood sacrifices.

Do some homework online, Mr. Know Nothing, and check out what I just wrote.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.

And this makes perfectly good sense given the fact that the penalty of sin is death. Even in the Garden of Eden, it is clearly implied that God slaughtered innocent animals to provide skin coverings for Adam and Eve after they sinned to cover their guilt and shame.

Cannibalism, shrunken heads, bloodletting and host of other crude primitive customs were also popular years ago. So?

Instead of Leviticus, try Ecclesiastes.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Cannibalism, shrunken heads, bloodletting and host of other crude primitive customs were also popular years ago. So?

So...you're wrong as usual. Israel was no different than any of the nations in the ancient Near East. Solomon built the first temple and then the second temple was completely built around 515 B.C by king Cyrus' decree. And there there blood sacrifices because that was mandated in the Torah.

Instead of Leviticus, try Ecclesiastes.

Instead of perpetual ignorance, try enlightenment for a refreshing change.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So...you're wrong as usual. Israel was no different than any of the nations in the ancient Near East. Solomon built the first temple and then the second temple was completely built around 515 B.C by king Cyrus' decree. And there there blood sacrifices because that was mandated in the Torah.



Instead of perpetual ignorance, try enlightenment for a refreshing change.

You confuse superstition for religion.

Anyone living in the 21st century would know we don't do blood sacrifices anymore.

Besides. What does Yahweh get out of a farm animal's blood?
Kinda barbaric for an all knowing, all powerful deity.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You confuse superstition for religion.

Anyone living in the 21st century would know we don't do blood sacrifices anymore.

Besides. What does Yahweh get out of a farm animal's blood?
Kinda barbaric for an all knowing, all powerful deity.

You're changing the subject. The irrefutable fact is that all ANE nations and cultures had temples or at least altars built to their gods and assigned priests to offer blood sacrifices to appease the anger of their gods. Ancient mankind knew about the Fall, through oral tradition, and understood that sin greatly displeased God. They also understood that the penalty for sin was death. This is why God in the Garden, immediately after the Fall, instituted the universal principle of substitutionary atonement. Innocent animals were slain in place of the two guilty sinners!

While scripture itself teaches that the blood of bulls and lambs, in and of themselves, can never take away sins, the sacrificial atonement rituals were symbolical in nature, for they were designed to foreshadow or prefigure the coming ultimate atoning sacrifice. But meanwhile until that ultimate sacrifice arrived on the world stage, pious Jews, who offered sacrifices in faith through levitical priests, received forgiveness for their sins.

So...the two $64. questions become who is this one who is the ultimate atoning sacrifice for the sins of mankind? And has he come?

Stay tuned for the answers in the next post.

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Originally Posted by boxcar

The irrefutable fact is that all ANE nations and cultures had temples or at least altars built to their gods and assigned priests to offer blood sacrifices to appease the anger of their gods.

Irrefutable? Really?

1. Have you studied absolutely all such cultures? If "yes" what sources outside scripture have you studied?
2. Going back to my college humanities courses I don't recall any Greek practice of blood sacrifices to the gods? Nor Roman for that matter.
3. Why limit it to ANE cultures? What about Norse, Chinese, native American cultures?

You make the claim. The burden of proof is yours.