Religion III

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Not one word of fulfillment in the NT of any of the prophecies pertaining the Diaspora of 70 A.D.

Moving the goal posts! You did not use the word "fulfillment" in your post.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Likewise, we have all these Greek writers of the NT, ...

FTFY!

Originally Posted by boxcar

... yet not one them writes so much as a word about the Diaspora, prophecies being fulfilled -- and this was no small historical event!

No small historical event indeed. Probably common knowledge at the time. It's obvious that if the "fulfillment" is mentioned then it's clearly not prophecy but back fitting.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by hcap

Have you read the book?

Yes.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

But you're a good sycophant.

Ad hominem!

I am not a mushroom.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I have explained it. But like all evil men, you cannot understand divine justice.

So I am evil?

Did anyone ever refer to you as a pompous ass?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Actor

Yes.

You know who my question was directed to. I realize you have.

Not boxcar. I wonder why?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Moving the goal posts! You did not use the word "fulfillment" in your post.

But I did use the term "fulfilled" a couple of times! What part of this term, didn't you get?

FTFY!

Prove it.

No small historical event indeed. Probably common knowledge at the time. It's obvious that if the "fulfillment" is mentioned then it's clearly not prophecy but back fitting.

Not at all. Pay attention: The NT writers often pointed to fulfilled messianc prophecies of the OT, and made a point of reminding their readers of these fulfillments.

Not only this, but OT writers often spoke to the fulfilled prophecies of the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions, reminding Israel that God makes good on his promises of retribution to his disobedient covenant people. Yet, both of these captivities together pale in comparison to what took place in 70 A.D.

Therefore, the absence of any mention of fulfilled Diaspora prophecies by the NT writers makes it highly likely that ALL the books of the NT were written before 70 A.D.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

So I am evil?

That is a rhetorical question, right"

Did anyone ever refer to you as a pompous ass?

I consider the source, which means I give it no further thought after a few seconds.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

But I did use the term "fulfilled" a couple of times!

But not in the subject post. You're still moving the goal posts.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Prove it.

Do your own research. It's accepted by most scholars. What is certain is that the entire NT was written in Greek.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Pay attention: The NT writers often pointed to fulfilled messianc prophecies of the OT, and made a point of reminding their readers of these fulfillments.

So the whole thing is back fitted.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Not only this, but OT writers often spoke to the fulfilled prophecies of the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions, reminding Israel that God makes good on his promises of retribution to his disobedient covenant people. Yet, both of these captivities together pale in comparison to what took place in 70 A.D.

By what standard? Just S.O.P. for the Romans, e.g., the second servile war, a.k.a. the Spartacus war. Not a unique event.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Therefore, the absence of any mention of fulfilled Diaspora prophecies by the NT writers makes it highly likely that ALL the books of the NT were written before 70 A.D.

How about 500 B.C.E. That's according to the Epistle of Barnabas. For a more modern author there's The Jesus Puzzle by Earl Dohety.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by hcap

You know who my question was directed to. I realize you have.

Sorry. I thought it was addressed to me since my quote was directly above.

Originally Posted by hcap

Not boxcar. I wonder why?

boxcar never reads anything that might potentially change his mind. Or that requires him to think.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Actor

boxcar never reads anything that might potentially change his mind.

YOU will change your mind before Boxcar ever does...Irrefutable FACT....

Don't even bother replying, just accept it.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by hcap

So I am evil?
Did anyone ever refer to you as a pompous ass?

How come if your god deals out cruel justice to biblical figures only if they deserve it liker the Amalekites, why do non biblical ordinary innocent bystanders get clobbered as well? I am sure some are first born. Maybe your Yahweh is just staying in shape ready to carry out the next tribal massacre.


Did these children's fathers attack the Israelite's also?



"I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

....David Attenborough

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

YOU will change your mind before Boxcar ever does...Irrefutable FACT....

Don't even bother replying, just accept it.

Boxcar is in desperate need of a good deprogrammer. You might want to check if that professional has any time for a confirmed paranoid conspiracy theorist.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

But not in the subject post. You're still moving the goal posts.

You're lying again. I used the term "fulfilled" twice in the "subject post".

Do your own research. It's accepted by most scholars. What is certain is that the entire NT was written in Greek.

The burden of proof is on you. You made the claim about Greek authorship. Also, Greek was virtually the universal language throughout most of the Roman empire.

So the whole thing is back fitted.

Your supposition. Prove it.

By what standard? Just S.O.P. for the Romans, e.g., the second servile war, a.k.a. the Spartacus war. Not a unique event.

By this standard:

Matt 24:21-22
21 for then there will be a great tribulation , such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be. 22 "And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut short.
NASB

And if you're wondering what kinds of tribulation God would bring upon covenant-breaking, messiah-rejecting Israel, you could feast your eyes on Deut 28:15-68. And all this took place within a few square miles at most of 1st century Jerusalem. God's wrath was poured out on Israel in a very small, condensed area, which greatly intensified the tribulation (distress). This is how Jesus could say that it would be "great tribulation" -- unparalleled in human history -- and never to be repeated.

So...yeah...you have dated all the gospels after 70 A.D., yet not one word about the destruction of Jerusalem and temple, in spite of all the prophecies about this. Not one NT lamentation over the holy city and temple being destroyed. Very many scholars date Revelation very late -- at least 95 A.D. -- yet, John didn't utter a word either about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple coming to past. Why didn't John write about "what is now" or "what you have seen" if the temple and Jerusalem had already been destroyed?

Rev 1:19
19 "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
NIV

Past - Present - Future -- Yet not a peep out of John about the greatest tragedy that has ever befallen the Jews and their Holy Land.




How about 500 B.C.E. That's according to the Epistle of Barnabas. For a more modern author there's The Jesus Puzzle by Earl Dohety.[/QUOTE]

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

How come if your god deals out cruel justice to biblical figures only if they deserve it liker the Amalekites, why do non biblical ordinary innocent bystanders get clobbered as well? I am sure some are first born. Maybe your Yahweh is just staying in shape ready to carry out the next tribal massacre.


Did these children's fathers attack the Israelite's also?



"I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

....David Attenborough

What part of "the wages of sin is death", don't you get? Contrast this text in the context of this present evil world with the restored heavens and earth which will occur at Jesus' return, in which only the righteous will dwell:

Rev 21:1-4
21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
NIV

Did you notice the last phrase in this passage? "The old order of things" will pass away because the current CURSE that is upon this present, fallen, broken world will be no more!

Rev 22:3a
3 No longer will there be any curse...
NIV

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

What part of "the wages of sin is death", don't you get? Contrast this text in the context of this present evil world with the restored heavens and earth which will occur at Jesus' return, in which only the righteous will dwell:

Why is you can not post a coherent reply without dozens of irrelevant biblical passages, and without insulting anyone who disagrees with you? What don't you get about being human?

Are you purposely practicing your pomposity?

Not only must you explain your Yahweh murdering suckling infants and farm animals in the bible, but why your Yahweh outside the bible, created an insect which buries itself in a child's eye causing unimaginable pain, suffering and death.

How come bunky? Why would Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and last but not least Omnibenevolent god(all-loving),.... want to create such misery?

Could it be original sin was not quite enough of a burden?