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05-30-2020, 03:52 PM
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It might just be the old men standing behind you! 
By the time the feature race comes around, we are long fore for the day.....Early Bird dinner!!!
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05-31-2020, 10:02 PM
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So Twitter saying more trainers being named on Monday. I guess we will see....
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06-03-2020, 06:59 AM
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Ark derby was on May 2nd and Charlatan no works until 5/27
Seems like a long time? 25th day before a published work?
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06-03-2020, 02:02 PM
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#124
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Originally Posted by clicknow
Ark derby was on May 2nd and Charlatan no works until 5/27
Seems like a long time? 25th day before a published work?
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They have to wait for the drugs to wear off.
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06-03-2020, 07:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
They have to wait for the drugs to wear off.
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06-14-2020, 10:33 AM
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How long does it take to test that 2nd sample?
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06-14-2020, 11:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholly
How long does it take to test that 2nd sample?
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In California, whatever time is needed for the CHRB to legalize the drug in a secret session.
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06-15-2020, 06:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drib
I am sure somewhere some trainer may have matched this 4-4 stakes winning day, but I doubt any trainer anywheret has ever gotten such efforts in one day.
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I guess you missed the 2003 Breeders Cup.
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06-15-2020, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholly
How long does it take to test that 2nd sample?
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Under normal circumstances it can take some time. Sometimes it's a couple months after the race. Why? I don't know why but that seems standard
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07-07-2020, 09:10 AM
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07-07-2020, 09:23 AM
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The punishment will be interesting.
If the amount was actually way too small to impact performance then it is possible the horse won't be disqualified and Baffert will only get a slap on the wrist.
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07-07-2020, 09:25 AM
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Toxicology reports normally take some time, so not surprising this took as long as it did.
I do wonder how lidocaine can accidentally get into a horse's system though. That seems less straight forward (when compared to the accidental caused by scopolamine, for example) though possible I suppose. Lidocaine isn't just hanging around akin to an environmental toxin.
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07-07-2020, 10:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
The punishment will be interesting.
If the amount was actually way too small to impact performance then it is possible the horse won't be disqualified and Baffert will only get a slap on the wrist.
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It is amazing to me the number of different ways our sport finds NOT to punish cheaters.
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07-07-2020, 04:31 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Has cheating been proven?
Not so sure.
Perhaps the problems is our drug testing is not adequate for the job.
Is this drug even of ANY benefit to a horse?
Could it have gotten into a horse by some nondescript method?
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07-07-2020, 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Has cheating been proven?
Not so sure.
Perhaps the problems is our drug testing is not adequate for the job.
Is this drug even of ANY benefit to a horse?
Could it have gotten into a horse by some nondescript method?
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I have seen no reporting that discusses the amounts of this drug and its impact on performance. Of course one could argue the amounts were left over from a period of time and not intended to enhance the day of the race performance.
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