Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 01-27-2018, 01:50 PM   #31
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
That isn't the same thing. The money is actually up for grabs. That isn't the case for the Pegasus. About half the money is never in play. Listing the purse at 16 million is fake, as are the earnings the horses will be credited with after the race. Surely you can see that.

Like I said, it has turned out to be a great race and the purse is better than the Classic in reality. I just don't see the point of making up fake numbers.
The point is to prevent Dubai from claiming the title of world's richest race and to disincentivize them from further jacking up the DWC purse.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:01 PM   #32
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
The point is to prevent Dubai from claiming the title of world's richest race and to disincentivize them from further jacking up the DWC purse.
But any idiot can figure out it is a lie.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:03 PM   #33
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,446
No matter what they call it, Dubai is the real WORLD cup.
GP will NEVER come close to that.

The Pegasus Donn is as far as it goes!
And what is stopping Dubai from doing the exact same phony purse
thing as Franky is doing....other than class and integrity, that is.
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:24 PM   #34
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
But any idiot can figure out it is a lie.
Not necessarily. I bet lots of people- especially folks who are not industry insiders- just assume a $16 million purse is a $16 million purse.

Whuch is really all GP's marketing department needs.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:26 PM   #35
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom View Post
No matter what they call it, Dubai is the real WORLD cup.
GP will NEVER come close to that.

The Pegasus Donn is as far as it goes!
And what is stopping Dubai from doing the exact same phony purse
thing as Franky is doing....other than class and integrity, that is.
You just are refusing to acknowledge reality. This isn't the Donn and it is a better race than the DWC. because horses hold off going to stud for it.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:27 PM   #36
fiznow
Registered User
 
fiznow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey View Post
Putting up your own money would be too much like gambling which I think might be prohibited but I'm no expert on the religious stuff..
Well I remember the sheik said once, betting is not allowed in Dubai, so we call it Pick 6 contest and so on. Seems pretty cool to me.
__________________
"A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing and missionaries." Will Rogers
fiznow is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:30 PM   #37
fiznow
Registered User
 
fiznow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
You just are refusing to acknowledge reality. This isn't the Donn and it is a better race than the DWC. because horses hold off going to stud for it.
Holding off horses going to stud makes it a better race???
__________________
"A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing and missionaries." Will Rogers
fiznow is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:42 PM   #38
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,446
Quote:
Whuch is really all GP's marketing department needs.
Franky is counting on the ignorance of people?
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 02:52 PM   #39
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,174
So far, in its first two runnings, it's attracted the best fields of the year...this year's field is pretty damn awesome...and last year we had CC vs. Arrogate...

It's done its job thus far...I'm not going to complain too much from a fan perspective.
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 03:02 PM   #40
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom View Post
Franky is counting on the ignorance of people?
As are you, every time you place a bet.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 03:05 PM   #41
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,446
I'm not a track owner.
I don't have customers.

Hey, love the race - just don't pee on my boots and tell me it's raining. It is a fake purse. And I bet you it is mis-timed today.
Truly world-class.
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 04:11 PM   #42
Fager Fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
That isn't the same thing. The money is actually up for grabs. That isn't the case for the Pegasus. About half the money is never in play. Listing the purse at 16 million is fake, as are the earnings the horses will be credited with after the race. Surely you can see that.

Like I said, it has turned out to be a great race and the purse is better than the Classic in reality. I just don't see the point of making up fake numbers.
Look, you guys need to get over this. It took putting up this kind of money to get the horses, to get the crowd, to get it on freaking NBC. So what if they have to make this palatable to the slot owners and worked with them to do so, tweaking it here, tweaking it there. They're trying to grow it into a mainstay and it's a huge idea in its infancy.

It doesn't affect a single one of you negatively. It doesn't harm the horses or racing. It's a good thing, giving a card that people are staying home to watch all day. So let it go already. No, we can't compete on an equal level with a man who takes the resources of a country as his own. But if this works, it may replace the DWC for Americans, keeping our runners here instead of losing up to half a year of racing in America after going to Dubai.

This is all good. Don't *itch about it.
Fager Fan is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 04:14 PM   #43
Fager Fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
But any idiot can figure out it is a lie.
What about putting on the DWC where basically it's only the home track for your own runners? Where many have to undergo severe travels? It's a great way for him to have a big advantage giving his own horses black type?

This has never occurred to anyone here? Just the nonsense that a $16m purse is a "lie" (which it's not, as it's the purse amount, period, no matter how far they pay out).
Fager Fan is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 04:17 PM   #44
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan View Post
What about putting on the DWC where basically it's only the home track for your own runners? Where many have to undergo severe travels? It's a great way for him to have a big advantage giving his own horses black type?

This has never occurred to anyone here? Just the nonsense that a $16m purse is a "lie" (which it's not, as it's the purse amount, period, no matter how far they pay out).
Two totally different things. And yes, it is a lie, even if you can't figure it out.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 01-27-2018, 04:21 PM   #45
Fager Fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom View Post
I'm not a track owner.
I don't have customers.

Hey, love the race - just don't pee on my boots and tell me it's raining. It is a fake purse. And I bet you it is mis-timed today.
Truly world-class.
Boots? Cowboys don't whine. I envision you wear ballerina slippers.
Fager Fan is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.