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01-10-2021, 11:35 AM
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First Amendment Restricts Government not Private Sector
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
So they will be gone for a while until they can find a new hosting platform.
Good luck.
You can't call yourself an American any longer if you are in favor of what is going on out there.
There was once a time when the ACLU defended the freedom of speech rights of Nazis in Skokie...a Jewish ACLU lawyer represented the leader of the neo-Nazi group...that's how much our country once cherished freedom of speech.
Not any more. We are SO FAR from Skokie, it's insane.
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01-10-2021, 11:38 AM
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First Amendment
To put a finer point on it, the First Amendment does not restrict PA from banning individuals from posting on this site.
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01-10-2021, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cratman
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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This is why antitrust laws exist.
It's pretty fortunate for some of the big tech companies that they were ABLE TO BEAT TRUMP in 2020...now that Trump lost, you can see what they are doing...colluding to get rid of the competition...Apple+Amazon+Google working together to eliminate competition, knowing full well their pals in the now completely controlled by Dems US Gov't won't go after them.
This is good for all America. I agree.
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01-10-2021, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
This is why antitrust laws exist.
It's pretty fortunate for some of the big tech companies that they were ABLE TO BEAT TRUMP in 2020...now that Trump lost, you can see what they are doing...colluding to get rid of the competition...Apple+Amazon+Google working together to eliminate competition, knowing full well their pals in the now completely controlled by Dems US Gov't won't go after them.
This is good for all America. I agree.
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Sad prediction, but imo it's just a matter of time before some whack job extremists on the right start bombing media and tech companies.
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01-10-2021, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Sad prediction, but imo it's just a matter of time before some whack job extremists on the right start bombing media and tech companies.
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OR.....or......or.....a far more likely scenario....
A foreign actor like China or Russia will throw a major cyber attack our way....crippling the Internet as a whole or perhaps just a few big tech giants for a length of time heretofore unseen...and this will be blamed on "far-right hackers" taking revenge for Trump and Parler getting kicked off the web....
Which will lead to an even greater crackdown on anyone even 2cm right of center...in the name of NATIONAL SECURITY.
I wonder how far they will be allowed to go before even the cucked start asking questions?
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01-10-2021, 02:14 PM
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Just signed up for proton mail and will minimize the use of chrome and gmail as much as possible. It is very hard to avoid using some of the services these companies have because they pretty much have the useful stuff, but where there is a will there is a way.
That's what competition is all about.
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01-10-2021, 02:18 PM
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What made you think of that?
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The Hunter Biden and Pelosi pics were all over Twitter yesterday. Pretty nasty shit......I’m sure Twitter has blocked them by now
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01-10-2021, 02:20 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Sad prediction, but imo it's just a matter of time before some whack job extremists on the right start bombing media and tech companies.
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Obama was fine with the Weather Underground doing it. I’m sure he won’t mind now......
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01-10-2021, 02:45 PM
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Social media bans don't violate First Amendment, here's why
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
Apple too
We no longer have freedom of speech
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https://www.king5.com/article/news/v...2-b2a3374f30f5
"THE QUESTION
Do social media companies violate the First Amendment when they ban or block someone from their platforms?
THE ANSWER
No. Because they are private companies, Twitter, Facebook and other social media can limit speech on their platforms."
....courts have ruled that the First Amendment, which addresses government actions, does not apply to private companies. Second, under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, companies can restrict access to objectionable material.
Jay Bender, attorney for the South Carolina Broadcasters Association and a retired law professor, says that had the government instructed Twitter to drop Trump’s accounts, “that would have been a violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights.” But Twitter, as a private entity not related to the government, “can accept or reject speech as it sees fit.”
It's been that way for awhile. You can be fired from your job for free speech, kicked off a website. Been this way for awhile. You're not understanding the first amendent.
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01-10-2021, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Secretariat
https://www.king5.com/article/news/v...2-b2a3374f30f5
"THE QUESTION
Do social media companies violate the First Amendment when they ban or block someone from their platforms?
THE ANSWER
No. Because they are private companies, Twitter, Facebook and other social media can limit speech on their platforms."
....courts have ruled that the First Amendment, which addresses government actions, does not apply to private companies. Second, under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, companies can restrict access to objectionable material.
Jay Bender, attorney for the South Carolina Broadcasters Association and a retired law professor, says that had the government instructed Twitter to drop Trump’s accounts, “that would have been a violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights.” But Twitter, as a private entity not related to the government, “can accept or reject speech as it sees fit.”
It's been that way for awhile. You can be fired from your job for free speech, kicked off a website. Been this way for awhile. You're not understanding the first amendent.
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This isn't a 1st amendment issue.
it's an anti-trust issue now that they have conspired together to eliminate Parler.
But don't worry...big tech did their part in the 2020 election, so they will be paid off by being left alone for the next 4 years.
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01-10-2021, 03:03 PM
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PS. The Bell Telephone system was a private company at one time as well, who thought they were untouchable.
Until it was split up in the early 80s.
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01-10-2021, 03:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
This isn't a 1st amendment issue.
it's an anti-trust issue now that they have conspired together to eliminate Parler.
But don't worry...big tech did their part in the 2020 election, so they will be paid off by being left alone for the next 4 years.
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You have to prove conspiracy and I doubt Lin Wood, Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani are up to it. Also doubtful Merrick Garland will have a taste for picking it up.
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01-10-2021, 03:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretariat
https://www.king5.com/article/news/v...2-b2a3374f30f5
"THE QUESTION
Do social media companies violate the First Amendment when they ban or block someone from their platforms?
THE ANSWER
No. Because they are private companies, Twitter, Facebook and other social media can limit speech on their platforms."
....courts have ruled that the First Amendment, which addresses government actions, does not apply to private companies. Second, under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, companies can restrict access to objectionable material.
Jay Bender, attorney for the South Carolina Broadcasters Association and a retired law professor, says that had the government instructed Twitter to drop Trump’s accounts, “that would have been a violation of Trump’s First Amendment rights.” But Twitter, as a private entity not related to the government, “can accept or reject speech as it sees fit.”
It's been that way for awhile. You can be fired from your job for free speech, kicked off a website. Been this way for awhile. You're not understanding the first amendent.
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if these are private companies, they need delisted - investors and retirement plans have made a few people way to rich
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01-10-2021, 04:02 PM
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PA Steward
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretariat
You have to prove conspiracy and I doubt Lin Wood, Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani are up to it. Also doubtful Merrick Garland will have a taste for picking it up.
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They better hope Democrats retain control forever then...it won't be hard to prove an anti-trust case at this point.
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01-10-2021, 04:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Sad prediction, but imo it's just a matter of time before some whack job extremists on the right start bombing media and tech companies.
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I really think a country like Iran will spew the talk of use of airplanes as weapons to strike the United States as a suicide strike walks into our country just like the movie Sicario: Day of the Soldado, but more devastating.
Who doubts that BLM and ANTIFA were inside the capitol on January 6, but knew better to be first in line to look at the barrel of a gun.
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