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Tom · 08-27-2023, 10:41 AM

I think you missed the point.

Sheffwed · 08-31-2023, 11:52 AM

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I think you missed the point.

what was the excuse for letting that loose horse run yesterday?

NYRA really needs to justify its license to operate

Maybe the State Comptroller and Governor should let them focus on finishing the destruction of Belmont and Aqueduct that they seem to be so good at (drove by both yesterday, and they are both ready for the wrecking ball) and run downstate racing (into the ground?) - there's no visibility at all for racing in the downstate portion of NY state now, maybe that's a good thing given the unprecedented debacle of this 2023 season, but really, no visibility downstate for the sport at all? Maybe open a stylish restaurant in Manhattan with simulcasting like that have in Toronto? Something? Anything?

And a new, separate Saratoga racing establishment should be started and established, with its own President, who can actually take responsibility for things before they happen, including getting reliable stewards, fixing the unnecessarily delicate turf course, add a synthetic option or change the dirt track to something that can work better, examining all modern options (surely the technology continues to evolve so that fast sprint horses can run something so that they don't breakdown when they get tired, is that too much to ask for, at least investigating what might be possible?), and otherwise be responsible before things keep on happening as they have been this year so that 2024 can be looked forward to and not dreaded

Tom · 08-31-2023, 01:51 PM

Again, you missed thre point od the post you quoted.
Have you considered hiring a personal assistant to jelp
you follow along?

ScottJ · 08-31-2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheffwed

what was the excuse for letting that loose horse run yesterday?

It was felt that the horse did not expend sufficient energy in the "run-off" to warrant a scratch. While I was surprised that there was no scratch, it could have gone either way. As a wagering event, that was an immediate bet-against for me and surely other handicappers.

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NYRA really needs to justify its license to operate

The NYRA franchise is firmly established/justified. The scrutiny under which NYRA operates far exceeds what you would find at another privately held entity.

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Originally Posted by Sheffwed

Maybe the State Comptroller and Governor should let them focus on finishing the destruction of Belmont and Aqueduct that they seem to be so good at (drove by both yesterday, and they are both ready for the wrecking ball) and run downstate racing (into the ground?) - there's no visibility at all for racing in the downstate portion of NY state now, maybe that's a good thing given the unprecedented debacle of this 2023 season, but really, no visibility downstate for the sport at all?

There is plenty of clear roadmap moving forward at Belmont and it will takes years to realize the full plan. Aqueduct remains a stalwart that I wish had a longer term future here on Long Island. In the interim, you can help build the Woodbine book of business and place your wagering dollars there.

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Maybe open a stylish restaurant in Manhattan with simulcasting like that have in Toronto? Something? Anything?

Or stay true to the plan of building a full on-site experience at Belmont.

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And a new, separate Saratoga racing establishment should be started and established, with its own President, who can actually take responsibility for things before they happen, including getting reliable stewards,

And you know that the stewards are appointed by ____.

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fixing the unnecessarily delicate turf course,

Incredible rainfall that has taken 67 races off the turf compared to 17 for the entire 2022 season provides you with a metric of a delicate turf course.

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add a synthetic option or change the dirt track to something that can work better,

What problem are you looking to solve? Take your bankroll to Woodbine. I am sure that your steeplechase steed will have plenty of opportunities to run there.

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examining all modern options (surely the technology continues to evolve so that fast sprint horses can run something so that they don't breakdown when they get tired,

Have you started petitioning Woodbine to add hurdles over the tapeta surface?

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is that too much to ask for, at least investigating what might be possible?), and otherwise be responsible before things keep on happening as they have been this year so that 2024 can be looked forward to and not dreaded

I dread more of your diatribe than prospects for 2024.

Sheffwed · 08-31-2023, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Again, you missed thre point od the post you quoted.
Have you considered hiring a personal assistant to jelp
you follow along?

and what are you talking about? which post?

Sheffwed · 08-31-2023, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ

It was felt that the horse did not expend sufficient energy in the "run-off" to warrant a scratch. While I was surprised that there was no scratch, it could have gone either way. As a wagering event, that was an immediate bet-against for me and surely other handicappers.

The NYRA franchise is firmly established/justified. The scrutiny under which NYRA operates far exceeds what you would find at another privately held entity.

There is plenty of clear roadmap moving forward at Belmont and it will takes years to realize the full plan. Aqueduct remains a stalwart that I wish had a longer term future here on Long Island. In the interim, you can help build the Woodbine book of business and place your wagering dollars there.

Or stay true to the plan of building a full on-site experience at Belmont.

And you know that the stewards are appointed by ____.

Incredible rainfall that has taken 67 races off the turf compared to 17 for the entire 2022 season provides you with a metric of a delicate turf course.

What problem are you looking to solve? Take your bankroll to Woodbine. I am sure that your steeplechase steed will have plenty of opportunities to run there.

Have you started petitioning Woodbine to add hurdles over the tapeta surface?

I dread more of your diatribe than prospects for 2024.

oh okay, the meeting this summer has been just fine

sorry, guess I got that wrong

ScottJ · 08-31-2023, 05:33 PM

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oh okay, the meeting this summer has been just fine
sorry, guess I got that wrong

Can we please stay on topic? Your post was littered with steaming excrement, you got called out for it point-by-point, and your retort is "all was great at Saratoga this year, sure"?

The weather was terrible when viewed through the recent years' prisms. Two tragic, nationwide visible breakdowns were terrible. Questions raised regarding stewardship have all been valid. NYRA folks have been front and center to take the bullets and it was still not enough for you. And you can easily argue that none of this was NYRA's fault - still they took the shrapnel.

Why doesn't your beloved Woodbine put up steeplechase racing? Why do we not see the jump set screaming for the safer tapeta surface? Why did you buy a steeplechase contender? Why do you constantly deride NYRA when it is the only think that keeps you from steeplechase obscurity?

Sir, you are savaging the hand that feeds you. That is not getting it wrong; it is arrogance sprinkled with stupidity.

Sheffwed · 08-31-2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ

Can we please stay on topic? Your post was littered with steaming excrement, you got called out for it point-by-point, and your retort is "all was great at Saratoga this year, sure"?

The weather was terrible when viewed through the recent years' prisms. Two tragic, nationwide visible breakdowns were terrible. Questions raised regarding stewardship have all been valid. NYRA folks have been front and center to take the bullets and it was still not enough for you. And you can easily argue that none of this was NYRA's fault - still they took the shrapnel.

Why doesn't your beloved Woodbine put up steeplechase racing? Why do we not see the jump set screaming for the safer tapeta surface? Why did you buy a steeplechase contender? Why do you constantly deride NYRA when it is the only think that keeps you from steeplechase obscurity?

Sir, you are savaging the hand that feeds you. That is not getting it wrong; it is arrogance sprinkled with stupidity.

there aren't any steeplechase races in Canada, not sure there ever have been, obviously there aren't any trainers there focused on that, so I'm not sure what you are going on about

you don't think Saratoga should have a synthetic surface for when it rains from a financial standpoint alone?

and I wasn't talking about Steeplechase, though the jump races at Saratoga especially with Jonathan Sheppard were always wonderful, his passing is very sad indeed, in fact Saratoga should bring back the Open House and run a day or two of jump meetings during fall weekends or in June when there is no steeplelchase racing anywhere in the US, that would be a way to raise some revenue and support a version of our sport which gives older horses additional runway, rather than casting them off as happens way too often as we all know

we should all watch videos and listen to podcasts of Jonathan - Sean Clancy, speaking of Steeplechase, tweeted a great two part podcast relatively recent interview with Jonathan

we should all honor his legacy and listen to what class actually looked and sounded like, his is a great loss

part 1 is here

https://thisishorseracing.com/featur...eppard-part-1/

Sheffwed · 08-31-2023, 06:28 PM

A good step forward

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ck-at-saratoga

JustRalph · 08-31-2023, 07:39 PM

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A good step forward

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ck-at-saratoga

Stupid

cj · 08-31-2023, 08:54 PM

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A good step forward

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ck-at-saratoga

PaceAdvantage · 08-31-2023, 08:55 PM

it's amazing how the vocal minority has managed to sabotage just about everything these days

people walk around afraid of their own shadows...thinking big bad twitter MAN, sorry...I mean X-MAN...is gonna jump out and write something terrible about you, or your company, or whatever

And then of course you OVERREACT like an idiot...

a couple more horses than normal break down during a meet?

GOTTA INSTALL SYNTHETIC...GOTTA MOVE THE MEET TO ANOTHER TRACK WHILE WE INVESTIGATE...GOTTA SHUT DOWN FOR A WEEK...LMAO

what have we become?

sadge

Like I said, combine all the deaths at Saratoga for 2021, 2022 and 2023...and you have just about a normal total if you also combine the 3 years prior to those...and then that compares to the 3 years prior to those...etc....etc....

BUT NO...FREAK OUT OVER ANOTHER STATISTICAL ANAMOLY thinking it's the end of the world...when in reality, it's perfectly normal if you step back and look at the forest.

Tom · 09-01-2023, 11:10 AM

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and what are you talking about? which post?

Learn to read.

azeri98 · 09-01-2023, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

it's amazing how the vocal minority has managed to sabotage just about everything these days

people walk around afraid of their own shadows...thinking big bad twitter MAN, sorry...I mean X-MAN...is gonna jump out and write something terrible about you, or your company, or whatever

And then of course you OVERREACT like an idiot...

a couple more horses than normal break down during a meet?

GOTTA INSTALL SYNTHETIC...GOTTA MOVE THE MEET TO ANOTHER TRACK WHILE WE INVESTIGATE...GOTTA SHUT DOWN FOR A WEEK...LMAO

what have we become?

sadge

Like I said, combine all the deaths at Saratoga for 2021, 2022 and 2023...and you have just about a normal total if you also combine the 3 years prior to those...and then that compares to the 3 years prior to those...etc....etc....

BUT NO...FREAK OUT OVER ANOTHER STATISTICAL ANAMOLY thinking it's the end of the world...when in reality, it's perfectly normal if you step back and look at the forest.

It's proven synthetic tracks are safer, Why not start there? If you really have the horses safety as a priority, why wouldn't you switch to a safer surface?

castaway01 · 09-01-2023, 11:51 AM

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It's proven synthetic tracks are safer, Why not start there? If you really have the horses safety as a priority, why wouldn't you switch to a safer surface?

Because synthetic track racing is largely awful from both a handicapping and sporting perspective. Several of the breakdowns this meet have very unfortunately been in high-profile races, but that doesn't mean Saratoga should throw out its whole way of doing business and degrade its quality of racing with a synthetic surface.