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03-09-2020, 01:23 PM
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Anybody betting Parx today?  |
looking that way now... Seven watch-lists popped up for horses... Four popped up for good-trainers...
Think I saw Zuleta(sp?) on one of the documents. I'll re-open that so I can see who is named, as well as use common sense on at least one of my watch-list trainers whose horses show the same features.
You playing, or just marveling at the implications?
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03-09-2020, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
uh, if navarro or servis ever start another horse again , its time to give up the game forever
lets not talk about proof. Im sure they have them dead to rights
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Are you familiar with the American justice system? Anything is possible.
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03-09-2020, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Appy
Results over the past 2-3 months make me think there has been a surge in nefarious usage recently. I want to see every one of the cheaters caught and banned for life.
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When I can see horses BREATHING differently through twinspires's terrible bit rate stream... you know things are terribly wrong.
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03-09-2020, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Anybody betting Parx today? |
I am. Should I be scrambling for names of assistant trainers? 
Seriously though, I think there's a good chance the game will be better off because of this in the long run.
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03-09-2020, 01:43 PM
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I am waiting for the people that state they had no idea this was going on. Thats the sad part, everyone knows what goes on and either doesnt care or couldnt do anything about it if they did.
You hate to lump everyone into the same box but it gets pretty easy to be cynical that the majority are doing something to break the rules, you almost have to if you want to compete.
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03-09-2020, 01:46 PM
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and you really have to call into question some of these owners, like the West's, who send horses to people of these reputations. Industry insiders know whats going on and I have no doubt many owners do as well.
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03-09-2020, 01:54 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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So I saw on another board that Maximum Security might set a record for being DQ'd in the Derby AND Saudi Cup!
West will go bonkers!
Name his first born Maxterisk*! 
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03-09-2020, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
So I saw on another board that Maximum Security might set a record for being DQ'd in the Derby AND Saudi Cup!
West will go bonkers!
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Saudi's only care about a horse getting whipped 4 extra times
Hey, I though they were into whipping in that country?
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03-09-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Are you familiar with the American justice system? Anything is possible.
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As far as the criminal system is concerned, they are innocent until proven guilty. Which is fine.
But horse racing as a sport doesn't have to wait. There's no due process owed on this sort of thing when it comes to racetracks and very little required when it comes to states- they can be barred from stabling at major tracks, and should be, and they should be given interim suspensions based on the showing of probable cause until their criminal charges are resolved.
I will say this. One thing that is pretty clear from the indictments is that they were tapping Servis' and Navarro's texts and phones as early as May of last year. This is an investigation that went on a long time. The chances that the defendants are actually innocent is extremely low.
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03-09-2020, 02:04 PM
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Tip of the iceberg
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03-09-2020, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Saudi's only care about a horse getting whipped 4 extra times
Hey, I though they were into whipping in that country?
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The Saudis are extremely concerned about doping. I hate to compliment them on anything- I think that royal family is a malign influence on the world- but they have a zero tolerance doping policy over there and they promoted it in advance of the Saudi Cup. I imagine the option disqualifying Maximum Security will at least be considered in light of this.
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03-09-2020, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
As far as the criminal system is concerned, they are innocent until proven guilty. Which is fine.
But horse racing as a sport doesn't have to wait. There's no due process owed on this sort of thing when it comes to racetracks and very little required when it comes to states- they can be barred from stabling at major tracks, and should be, and they should be given interim suspensions based on the showing of probable cause until their criminal charges are resolved.
I will say this. One thing that is pretty clear from the indictments is that they were tapping Servis' and Navarro's texts and phones as early as May of last year. This is an investigation that went on a long time. The chances that the defendants are actually innocent is extremely low.
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Feds brag about a 95% conviction rate. Cuz most cases dont get to trial because the defendants make a deal. They have the goods on them, no goin to kangaroo court with the comissions whose hands are tied.
Like one said Tip of the Iceberg, this is just one chainlink broken.
There are other covert drug runners yet to be caught.
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03-09-2020, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
The Saudis are extremely concerned about doping. I hate to compliment them on anything- I think that royal family is a malign influence on the world- but they have a zero tolerance doping policy over there and they promoted it in advance of the Saudi Cup. I imagine the option disqualifying Maximum Security will at least be considered in light of this.
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Great thought - hope you're right!!!!!
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03-09-2020, 02:22 PM
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The FBI had McDonald's run an entire Monopoly Game when they knew the game was rigged, just so they could get more evidence on the culprits.
Based on that alone, it's pretty obvious they informed Churchill Downs Inc. that Maximum Security would be drugged they day he ran in the Kentucky Derby.
They couldn't let Churchill scratch him because they needed more evidence. Afterwards though, they could DQ him for anything that happened in the race.
Last edited by depalma113; 03-09-2020 at 02:23 PM.
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03-09-2020, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
So I saw on another board that Maximum Security might set a record for being DQ'd in the Derby AND Saudi Cup!
West will go bonkers!
Name his first born Maxterisk*! |
He is going to be DQ'd in every race he ran.
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